If your funnel isn't converting, you're probably about to waste the next 30 days "optimizing" the wrong thing. Because the funnel is rarely the problem. The inputs are. In this episode, Kayvon sits down with Alisha Conlin-Hurd, who's built 600+ funnels across 120 niches and worked with billion dollar brands. They go straight at the lie the founders keep paying for: tweaking pages, swapping headlines, chasing cheaper leads… while the real leak happens before the click. They break down the difference between a website and a funnel, why paid traffic to a homepage is a silent killer, and what actually makes a book-a-call funnel print qualified calls that show up ready to buy. Then they go where most "marketing conversations" refuse to go: the marketing vs sales war, why leads "look good" but don't close, and how to build a feedback loop that stops your team from guessing. If your show rates are dropping, your closers are blaming lead quality, and your marketers are flexing low CPL while your bank account stays flat, this episode is your intervention. This episode is for founders, operators, and sales leaders running high-ticket offers who are tired of vanity metrics, tired of no-shows, and tired of paying agencies to decorate a broken machine. If you want to "test hooks" for the next six months while ignoring offer, market, and qualification, this isn't for you. They get into what actually drives business growth when you're running paid ads, a sales funnel, and a high-ticket sales team at the same time. This is about conversion rate optimization that starts with market research, messaging, differentiation, and offer design, not button colors. They talk about lead quality, lead scoring, cost per acquisition, show-up rates, speed to lead, and how to align marketing and sales into one revenue system so your pipeline stops leaking and your team stops fighting. Topics covered: Funnel vs website, and why homepages kill paid traffic "Garbage in, garbage out" marketing and the real meaning of CRO The book-a-call funnel: ad → landing page → application → calendar → success page Why optimizing for the lowest CPL wrecks your close rate Lead scoring that marketing and sales can actually agree on The show-up rate drop: wrong lead vs forgot vs fizzled Why the "heyday" of easy closes is over, and what replaces it Trust economy vs attention economy, and what changes in 2026 Building authority fast with case studies, guarantees, and a stronger offer The personal brand advantage in a world full of scams and AI Looking to dive deeper into these conversations and connect with our host and guest? Follow Alisha Conlin-Hurd: InstagramFacebook LinkedInX YouTubeWebsite Community (The Obsessed) Follow Kayvon: InstagramFacebookLinkedInTikTok Want to go deeper with Kayvon? Subscribe to the newsletterBook a discovery call

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