Public betas for iPadOS, iOS 13, and macOS Catalina are available now so Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller discuss the updates from using the software themselves. Also, It was announced during this recording that Apple’s chief design officer Jony Ive will depart the company later this year — the crew reacts. Other topics this week include Bill Gates discussing Microsoft losing to Android, a new Raspberry Pi, and updates on Foxconn's factory in Wisconsin. Stories discussed this week: Jony Ive leaving Apple after nearly 30 years to start new design firmiPadOS public beta preview: worthy of the new nameiOS 13 hands-on: dark mode, Apple Maps, Reminders, and moreiOS 13’s best upgrade is in your car macOS Catalina first look: goodbye, iTunes; hello, iPad apps on Mac$35 Raspberry Pi 4 announced with 4K support and up to 4GB of RAMJony Ive leaving Apple after nearly 30 years to start new design firmBill Gates says his ‘greatest mistake ever’ was Microsoft losing to AndroidOne year after Trump's Foxconn groundbreaking, there is almost nothing to show for it Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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