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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Hello, and welcome to The Verge Cast, the flagship podcast of integrated memory. I'm your friend, David Pierce, and on today's episode, we are gonna talk about the NVIDIA RTX Spark, a new computer chip that NVIDIA thinks might help it make a mainstream play into laptops, and it might shake up the Windows industry for a long time.
The Verge's senior editor, Sean Hollister, is gonna come on, and we're gonna talk all about it. But first, here's a look at everything else happening at The Verge today. It's 90 Seconds on The Verge for Tuesday, June 2nd, 2026. Today is Microsoft Build Day.
It's Microsoft's annual developer keynote, and in addition to lots of new Windows features and lots of new AI developer tools, Microsoft announced a new product called Scout. It's an AI personal assistant agent, like Gemini Spark or Open Claw, designed to actually use AI to go do things on your behalf.
And fun fact about this, it's actually built directly on the OpenClaw technology, which is very funny given that Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella only a few months ago compared OpenClaw to a computer virus. Things change fast, but this idea of doing stuff on your devices is everywhere, and it is absolutely taking over inside of Microsoft.
Microsoft also announced a new quantum chip as it continues to push towards quantum computing. It announced a new Surface device, the RTX Spark Dev Box, based on NVIDIA's new chip that it hopes will help people make more AI tools. Because Microsoft's whole thing is making it easy for you to make AI tools, whether you like it or not.
President Trump signed an executive order essentially asking AI companies to give the government 30 days to review AI models before they release them. This is a version of an executive order that's been floating around for a while. At one point, it got shelved.
But it's a big change for the Trump administration, which has gone from essentially an anything-goes policy to AI to trying to have some more oversight. We'll see how that goes. Finally, some big news for me in particular.
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Chapter 2: What is the significance of Nvidia's RTX Spark chip?
And like Apple in 2020, they have no statistics. They have no graphs. They have no charts. They have nothing to back that up right now. Right.
Well, Apple in 2020 strikes me as like the best case scenario here. Right. Because Apple showed up in 2020 and was like, hey, we have these M series chips. We're not going to tell you anything about them. Here's a bunch of graphs that don't mean anything. And then essentially upended the PC industry. Right.
Like kind of all at once, just just lapped everybody in terms of what you can expect out of your laptop. What I'm trying to figure out is what NVIDIA is trying to do here, right? Because NVIDIA obviously has lots of stuff to talk about when it comes to AI, has lots of stuff to talk about when it comes to video games, lots of stuff to sell you on both of those fronts, too.
But it's also, like you said, trying to do a very mainstream computer chip. And Jensen Long, the NVIDIA CEO, was even talking about lower-end laptops. Like, what is your sense of what NVIDIA's game is here? Is it just complete chip domination because it's NVIDIA and that's what it wants? Or is it trying to do something specific here?
I think there's two things. One, there is the market opportunity of AI and being able to say that, you know, we want to be powering the AI computer. We want to beat the forefront of the entire AI revolution. But I also think it's kind of hedging against AI.
NVIDIA knows from very prominent and embarrassing history for other companies that if you are not at the heart of the device, there is always a chance that you miss the next computing revolution. Even though it seems like NVIDIA is at the forefront, at the heart of the AI computing revolution right now, they can look back and say, well, Intel wasn't in the phone.
And that was a big problem for Intel when the tide turned, when it wasn't just, you know, BlackBerrys and dumb phones, but now it was Intel inside being, you know, you didn't have that in the phone. That was a problem for Intel. It was, they missed out on the phone because of that.
NVIDIA, by the way, even at one point made a pretty big mobile play. Like you said, with the Switch, that's running a smartphone chip.
Yeah, they tried. That was the Tegra processor that they tried to make a mobile phone. There were a couple of Tegra phone attempts back in the day. There were tablets. You can credit NVIDIA for making $199 Android tablets a thing. We talked about it in 2012 and 2013 on The Verge. But in terms of like, You don't want to necessarily miss being in the hard things.
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Chapter 3: How does Nvidia's RTX Spark compare to existing chips from Apple and Intel?
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One of the things that was most surprising in seeing this announcement was that these chips won't be able to run NVIDIA's graphics cards. And it's like, hey, guys, I don't know if you know this. People really like your graphics cards. That's actually one of the things a lot of people are attempting to buy from you right now. They cost a billion dollars and no one can get any.
But this is like a core competency of this company. And this is what I keep thinking about is like... If NVIDIA had just come out and said, we are releasing essentially the full hardware stack to make the greatest gaming laptops you've ever seen in your entire life, that would make perfect sense to me, right?
But there's just these little pieces of things missing that it's where the strategy starts to fall off for me. What do you make of the fact that you can't attach this thing to something like a discrete GPU, which is what a vast number of NVIDIA fans want to do?
I think this is, Fortunately or unfortunately, this is increasingly becoming the way of laptops. If you are not very specifically self-selecting as, I am a gamer, I am a video creator, you're going to buy a laptop that kind of... has everything encapsulated in one chip that does it all for you, because that's where they find the efficiency.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of ARM-based laptops on the PC industry?
But if anybody's going to make that work, it's going to be a company like NVIDIA, which has everything to gain by also selling you a discrete GPU. Just not in this rev, I think.
That's fair. Yeah. And I guess it does make sense if you're trying to make this sort of mainstream play. Doing the best you can is within the one chip is probably the correct answer. Like, I guess we have to give NVIDIA a chance to release more than one of these things.
I have to laugh that you say mainstream play, though, because as as with every. As with every manufacturer here, they're not talking about price. They're not talking about like how powerful the other chips are.
One of the things I think is most interesting here is that NVIDIA announced most of the PC industry as its partners. And not only that, they didn't, like every time Qualcomm does one of these, they put up the slide and they're like, we're working with these 11 companies. And you're like, what are they working on? And they're like, we'll never tell. And...
But not only did NVIDIA launch this with a bunch of big name launch partners, Lenovo and HP and Dell and Asus and kind of all the companies you would want if you're trying to make a real mainstream laptop play. Every, every major piece. basically announced a new flagship laptop, the Surface Laptop Ultra that is running the RTX Spark. And so again, this thing feels big.
Like you get the sense Nvidia is not sort of shipping a chip in the way that a lot of companies do where they're like, well, we have the one that runs Intel. And then if you want, we'll lift it out and put another one in and you can just sort of pick a processor, AMD or Intel when you buy that.
Like this is, we are creating new kinds of devices for this chip and they seem to have the whole PC industry on board. They really do. That feels huge to me.
Yeah, it is.
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Chapter 5: What are the performance claims made about the RTX Spark chip?
It is big. And, you know, they announced eight laptops and I think they showed like four mini PCs on stage at Computex. But they say there's 30 laptops already in development, 10 mini desktops. And that's just the initial allocation. Those are going to be the ones that probably have the full fat version of this chip doing, you know, your 128 gig of RAM and your 6000 cores.
But it's going to be more than that, it sounds like. And they're talking about this being a whole family of chips. The RAM will maybe not always be stratospheric prices of 128 gigs, but it'll go down to like 16 gig of RAM, like you might find in an average notebook. They say there's a huge market opportunity here.
And I don't know, I don't entirely know where the confidence comes from beyond the fact that they're NVIDIA and they can afford to throw so much money added and every manufacturer kind of has to line up because you better be on good terms with NVIDIA right now. Fair, yeah.
it could be a very big deal it could be they are a a big player maybe bigger than qualcomm uh in this space um they they could be right up there with intel and amd in a year or three who knows um because they are putting serious effort and it looks like the the partners are also putting serious effort behind this and this could be a um regardless of whether
you personally, a listener, want to buy one of these machines, it could be good for the ecosystem because it's going to force Windows to get better. It's going to force more developers to support ARM. And it seems pretty clear... Support ARM faster than they might have otherwise, I should say. And it seems pretty clear that ARM is one of the powerful, efficient futures for personal computing.
It's going to make our laptops last longer and... Cooler and battery life and all those kinds of things that we've already seen in no small quantity from Apple and from Qualcomm.
Yeah, I feel like over the last really year or so, this incredibly long progress free Windows on ARM journey is finally happening. Like I feel like I finally have some real confidence in companies that ship Windows on ARM products that it will mostly work. And it's still through emulation. There's still stuff that can go wrong. A lot of this still needs some updating on the part of developers.
But it does feel like we've at least raised the floor on this enough that I don't immediately see this as like giant red flag, none of your apps are going to work properly. It feels like we've at least solved that problem. And now all that's left is to really sort of optimize.
And it does, to your point, NVIDIA is maybe better than anybody in the industry not named Apple at making people build stuff to its specs. So just the fact that it's out here doing this might be a huge win for Windows on ARM as a whole.
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Chapter 6: How does Nvidia's strategy aim to dominate the AI computing market?
Yeah. Yeah. And luckily for for for everybody listening, they tend to send us the machines so that we can test that.
Yeah, there's a world in which at some point you and Antonio DiBenedetto on our team are both going to have like $100,000 worth of laptops just sitting in your house. Oh, God. And this is what we're going to be doing for a while. Can't wait. I'm very much looking forward to that. All right, Sean, good to see you. Thank you as always. All right, that's it for the show.
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