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What did the hosts think of Meta's new Muse AI agent?

Ankit Jain 0:00
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Nilay Patel 0:39
Hello and welcome to the first cast, the flagship podcast of AI mascots. A little bit of butt. That's right. I'm your friend Neel Patel. I'm back after two weeks away. That's what you were expecting. Jake is here.
Jake Kastrenakes 0:50
So glad you're back for for delightful intros like these, Neli.
Nilay Patel 0:54
David Amel is here. What's up, man?
Jake Kastrenakes 0:55
I haven't left yet.
Nilay Patel 0:57
We're never letting you leave. I you understand this, right? We'll see, we'll see. The people demand that you stay in that studio and never go anywhere else. We're gonna figure it out.
David Imel 1:05
I live here now. Okay.
Nilay Patel 1:07
All right. Uh there is a lot going on this week.

How serious are the privacy and trust concerns around Muse?

Nilay Patel 1:09
There's Google Books, there's Metaconnect, Jake. What's on the menu?
Jake Kastrenakes 1:12
Yeah, it it was a busy week for gadgets. Google Books. We're gonna finish up with uh Brendan Carr is a dummy naturally now that you're back, the long-awaited return. We've got a lightning round. We've got to start with meta. Uh so Wednesday night, Metaconnect, Mark Zuckerberg takes the stage. This is their VR in glasses show most recently. Actually, if you watched it this week, it turned into the Muse show, right? But not the band. If only, if only they had brought on the band a little more fun. That that yeah, the uh branding I think would have gotten a little conflated with the uh the sexy w what is it? Bear? I don't know what it is.
Nilay Patel 1:52
It's called the Jolly. It's the the the mascot's name is Jolly.
Jake Kastrenakes 1:56
That will fix their privacy.
Nilay Patel 1:58
We're gonna come back to Jolly,
Jake Kastrenakes 2:00
I assure you. And we don't we I don't want to come back to Jolly. It became a show about Muse. Muse was everywhere in everything. I think this is fascinating, right? That this is Meta's new AI agent. It's like three weeks old at this point. Two or three weeks old. Have you guys been using this yet? What have you instructed your Muse to
David Imel 2:17
shop for you yet, David? No.

Do the new Meta glasses solve the ‘pervert glasses’ controversy?

David Imel 2:19
I do not know if this makes me a bad tech journalist, and it probably does, but I do not feel comfortable with meta having my information, so I have not used it yet.
Nilay Patel 2:29
This is the problem with Muse, right? It's straightforwardly every piece of coverage we do. all the comments, even we had a editorial meeting about it the other day. I was like, everyone needs to at least use a thing. And half of our editors were like, I don't, I won't. I was like, but you you have to. So I did I gave it one thing. I gave it my personal spam Gmail. Okay. Right. Which is like
Illia Polosukhin 2:52
if
Nilay Patel 2:52
meta can look at however many Home Depot e-receipts it wants to, that that's fine. Okay. Um and I what I it was some boring thing. It's like We have we returned something overseas and there's like a tax form. And I was like, can you just figure this out? And it did it.
Illia Polosukhin 3:09
Hm.
Nilay Patel 3:10
Right. Like I I bought a thing from overseas and we had to send it back and all this stuff. And I was like, I I I do not have the time or inclination to do this. And I just asked me used to do it and it did it. And it did it by connecting to my Gmail and reading my email, which I don't love. Uh, and I don't love that Meta now has access to that. There are a lot of promises around Meta's privacy and end-to-end encryption with the virtual machine. And they hired Marlon Moxiespike from Signal to build it. And they Mark Zuckerberg keeps saying his name like a talisman. You know, like in Airbus is like, Well, Moxie Morland Spike is here, nothing can possibly go wrong.

What does Meta’s VR‑style glasses mean for the future of VR?

Nilay Patel 3:45
Um But it is shockingly useful and it it's a it's a good product. There's a lot of it that is like open claw part two.
David Imel 3:54
Yeah.
Nilay Patel 3:55
Like people have dug into it and a lot of the the
David Imel 3:57
file names are exactly the same. Like the the structure of the files are effectively open claw.

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