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The Wellness Scoop

Fruit Sugar, Plant Diversity & When Healthy Tracking Turns Unhealthy

21 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

3.305 - 11.243 Ella Mills

Welcome to The Wellness Scoop, your weekly dose of health and wellness inspiration. With the two of us, as always, I'm Ella Mills.

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11.664 - 34.661 Rhianna Lambert

And I'm Rhianna Lambert. And as you can tell from our voices, we are so delighted to be here, as always, taking your incredible recommendations and questions. So let's dive into it. What's coming up on today's show? Re-hit us with it. And we've got, is fruit sugar actually bad for us? The truth about processed meat and healthier swaps. Smart ways to hit 30 plants a week.

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34.681 - 56.298 Rhianna Lambert

Whether chia seeds really need soaking. I mean, it's a big episode today. Can you be healthy if you don't eat fruit? Then when calorie tracking starts becoming unhelpful. First of all, Rhi, have you got any recs for us? Do you know? I do. First one's for you, Ella. I've been so excited to share this. I have found your new garden inspo. Oh my gosh, tell me.

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56.479 - 67.72 Rhianna Lambert

So I actually think it might also be something that we'd all aspire to one day, but Shirley Kemp. Okay. So she is, of course, wife of... Martin Kemp.

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Chapter 2: Is fruit sugar actually bad for us?

68 - 75.372 Rhianna Lambert

Okay. So he was in Spandau Ballet. Right. It's funny because I actually bumped into them at Gabby Logan's podcast studio.

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Chapter 3: What are healthier swaps for processed meats?

75.693 - 81.181 Rhianna Lambert

Okay. And I realized I don't live that far away from them. We're having a little chat and I said, oh, you know, I got the train in.

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Chapter 4: How can I increase plant diversity in my diet?

81.221 - 85.087 Rhianna Lambert

How about you? And obviously they drove in, but they weren't going to get on the train, were they?

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Chapter 5: Do chia seeds need to be soaked before eating?

85.648 - 99.328 Rhianna Lambert

But anyway, she has this incredible Instagram account called Maison Number Nine. It is the most stunning garden account ever. And I mean, complete inspiration. It is absolutely beautiful. Oh, my gosh.

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Chapter 6: Can you be healthy if you don't eat fruit?

99.428 - 101.05 Rhianna Lambert

I can't wait to get it. Thank you.

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Chapter 7: When does calorie tracking become unhealthy?

101.21 - 111.002 Ella Mills

My whole Instagram algorithm is garden, garden, garden, like how to prune tomato plants. Yeah. Like the best way to kind of put twine around them so they grow tall.

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111.022 - 125.941 Rhianna Lambert

Move over sourdough. We have moved on to a next level. Honestly, it is so beautiful. So shout out to Shirley Kemp because you have done the most incredible job. It's my retirement dream is alongside an animal shelter to have a garden like that. Oh, my gosh. OK, I can't wait to scroll later.

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126.221 - 143.45 Rhianna Lambert

And then I actually got the jet washer out and our patio hasn't been jet washed in six years since we moved into our house. And I don't know what came over me, but I really just wanted to clean it. I bet that was very satisfying. It was very satisfying. Very satisfying. I love a jet washer, although I discovered that it has to be done in stages. This is very boring. I'm telling you.

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143.591 - 145.574 Ella Mills

It's a niche recommendation, I would be honest.

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145.594 - 155.288 Rhianna Lambert

It's a niche recommendation. And we only had a jet washer two years ago, so we hadn't really had time to use it. Ella, let's move on from my waffle. I'm sure you've got something far more realistic for people.

155.608 - 171.69 Ella Mills

Okay, do you know my recommendation this week is Giant Couscous? I love Giant Couscous. Oh my gosh, I love it. I hadn't thought about it for ages. I've never cooked it at home, you know. I've only ever bought it on the go. Oh my God, it's so good. It's so easy. It cooks in packets, we say six to eight minutes. Personally, I think it's more like eight minutes. Where do you buy yours?

171.95 - 187.566 Ella Mills

I am quite an Ocado fan. Yeah, I am. I think it was an M&S owned brand one on there. Giant couscous. Oh, my gosh. Funnily enough, the kids had it at school randomly, which is amazing. And then they were like, we really like it. And I'm trying really hard to get them to try different things at the moment.

187.586 - 201.42 Ella Mills

Anyway, I made this, may I say it myself, delicious, like red pepper, chickpea, lemon zest, sort of couscous salad. My mum came over on Saturday and we had it as part of a lovely spread with some gorgeous dips and all the rest of it. Anyways.

201.4 - 227.07 Ella Mills

it's so good because it cooks really quickly the leftovers are amazing as in thinking like rice and pasta the leftovers aren't great whereas giant couscous is amazing i really like quinoa but i appreciate it's also not for everyone but the texture isn't like giant couscous i'm literally adding it to my shopping list anyway put it on your list for spring summer salads guys giant couscous is excellent it's so good i've also become obsessed with this micro current device called it

Chapter 8: How can I maintain variety while batch cooking?

322.002 - 340.033 Rhianna Lambert

I agree. Toys, clothing, colors, materials, phrases you use. And. She says, I can't bear to think of him changing from the kind, sweet kid he is and feeling like he has to fit into a mold of what it means to be a boy. She said that we don't teach boys how to embrace their gentleness and that needs to change. And you know what's interesting, Ella?

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340.354 - 347.203 Rhianna Lambert

As a boy mum, I actually had this conversation with my husband the other night. I said, am I mollycoddling by being gentle?

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347.183 - 371.419 Rhianna Lambert

gentle kind and this is the approach i'm very much taking with them am i doing them a disservice by sitting down with them and watching the frog princess film or sleeping beauty maybe i should just be letting them watch superheroes all the time and you know buying into that area and i did doubt myself as a parent but this thank you for sending this because it's made me feel a little bit better i could cry but it's really so difficult raising boys today

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371.399 - 380.949 Ella Mills

Yeah, I so appreciate that. Such a good recommendation. Thank you. And then, Rhi, you have got actually a voice note for us, haven't you, from Giles as a follow up to our conversational Monday?

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380.969 - 396.225 Rhianna Lambert

I do. Giles Yeo is one of the most incredible speakers and researchers, and he has got a lovely voice note for us discussing the differences between weight, the challenges, of course, of GLP-1's mindset around that and genes.

396.863 - 418.298 Giles Yeo

Why do people eat? You know, people say, I eat because I'm hungry. I stop eating because I'm full. But really, why we eat is our appetite, right? And appetite is an interesting word. It's because it's an integrative term which pulls together a number of different concepts. It pulls together hunger, which we all understand that rumbly feeling in the stomach.

418.278 - 440.823 Giles Yeo

it pulls together fullness, which people think is the opposite to hunger, but actually is regulated by a completely different part of the brain and completely different neurocircuits. And some people eat because they feel nice, the rewarding elements of it. And so appetite encompasses hunger, fullness, and reward. An appetite sits in the middle of this triangle.

441.123 - 456.823 Giles Yeo

And some people eat because it's more rewarding. Other people eat because they feel less full. Other people eat because they're more hungry. But all three parts of the brain, all three of these different behaviors speak to each other. That is our appetite.

460.027 - 479.149 Ella Mills

Rhi, can I ask you a question before we go into other people's questions? It just came up to mind for me on fruit sugar, because we're going to talk about that in a second. Now, on my algorithm, I often see, and have seen for a very, very long time, but I still see, it feels more outdated than it did. But there are some influencers who eat like...

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