Basement: Daniel Whiteson | CERN, Dark Matter, and the Aliens Next Door

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Daniel Whiteson 0:00
Today, I'm talking with Daniel Whiteson. He's a particle physicist at UC Irvine and an active researcher on CERN's Large Hadron Collider. Every 24 nanoseconds, his team smashes protons together and waits for the universe to show them something new.
Unknown 0:14
Oh, CERN, huh? The place with the Shiva statue out front and the interdimensional portal out back. Oh, yeah, I know the place.
Daniel Whiteson 0:22
His new book is called, Do Aliens Speak Physics? And the question it asks is wild. Is physics something we discovered or is it something we invented? Because if it's invented, aliens might show up one day with a completely different version and ours might be wrong or at least incomplete. It's hard to explain in an intro, but it's pretty wild. We also get into some places I didn't expect to go, like what happens below the Planck scale.
Unknown 0:53
Oh, below the Planck scale. That's where the lizard people keep the good stuff.
Daniel Whiteson 0:57
We also get into why dark matter might have its own version of the Higgs boson, and why a philosopher named Hartree Field re-derived gravity without using numbers. No math. We also talked about how your phone is secretly a cosmic ray detector. And that's true. Daniel built an app.
Unknown 1:16
You know who else built an app that tracks things from space? The NSA. But at least they had the decency to lie about it.

How does Daniel's book challenge our understanding of physics?

Unknown 1:23
Humans are such sheep.
Daniel Whiteson 1:25
Anyway, this was a lot of fun. Sheep.
Unknown 1:27
Let's go down to the basement.
Daniel Whiteson 1:36
Hey, you can watch the Y-Files on Spotify. New video episodes every Monday and Friday. And premium subscribers get fewer ads, which means fewer interruptions when things start getting weird. Daniel, welcome to the basement. Thank you very much for having me. So excited to talk to you about all of this crazy stuff in science. Me too. So, yeah, we're going to get to some of those baffling secrets of the universe. But here's what I really want to know. What is the secret to making... A killer Nutella nut roll. Like, how did you become famous for that? A killer Nutella nut roll? I mean, I heard that you have a strong baking game. I do. On my CV, for example, I have a cookie recipe. You have a list of awards, papers, favorite cookie recipe.
Daniel Whiteson 2:27
I put that in there actually just to see if anybody's reading that at all. And I'll sometimes get an email from somebody who's like, Hey, I tried your recipe. It's pretty good. What is it? What's the cookie? It's chocolate chip oatmeal cookies with tahini. That's the key. That's the key? Absolutely. I love tahini. I'm a sucker for halva or anything with tahini and it's sesame seeds. That's my kryptonite. We're going to try that.

What insights does Daniel provide about dark matter?

Daniel Whiteson 2:52
I always heard that baking is science. Yeah, it's chemistry, right? There's transformations, things change phase. It's incredible what happens there. And it's a great example of emergence. You see stuff happening on the bigger scale, like this dough turns into cookie. You don't know what's going on underneath the microscopic details of what's happening with all the baking powder and the vinegar or whatever. It's like magic to you, right? There's some microscopic detail and then boom, it turns into a cookie. And you don't always have to know, you don't always have to care. But it's incredible you have this experience on the macroscopic scale, and then there's all this stuff happening underneath. Were you baking before you became a scientist, or did you say, you know what, I've got an idea?
Daniel Whiteson 3:41
I've got a sweet tooth. Okay. And I love gluten. Who doesn't? I've been baking forever. I know, gluten is God's gift to humanity. Yeah. Another question that I need to know. What's your favorite video game that you programmed? That I programmed. That you programmed. You were a coder. I am a coder. I was a coder. I started programming in basic on a Commodore VIC-20, right? Same. Tiny amount of RAM and you stored your programs on cassette tapes. Yes. Yeah, I'm OG programmer. I remember when my dad brought home our first computer, transformational for me. And yeah, I wrote Tic-Tac-Toe was my first game. First you write the two-player version, and then you're like, I want to play against the computer.

How do we explore the universe through particle collisions?

Daniel Whiteson 4:30
How can I program a little bit of computer intelligence in there?

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