Diana Pasulka: Religion, Atheism, Heidegger, and the Dark Night

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Previously titled “Diana Pasulka on Religion, Atheism, Heidegger, Jung, and the Dark Night of the Soul #DisTOEsure” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 3, 2026

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YouTube link: https://youtu.be/E5MuTHUbMUs Professor of Religion Diana Pasulka discusses Jung, Heidegger, and the recent UFO hearings Sponsors -Brilliant: https://brilliant.org/TOE for 20% off Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802 Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerch LINKS MENTIONED: -American Cosmic (Diana's book): https://amzn.to/3MsaOmI -American Cosmic (Diana's book): https://amzn.to/3FWYCaW -Fatima Trilogy (a book Diana references): https://amzn.to/3wDGoao -Dark Night of the Soul podcast (with Chloe Valdary interviewing Curt): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtfJ20TNpNU -Karl Friston podcast (most important TOE podcast): https://youtu.be/SWtFU1Lit3M -Thomas Campbell on TOE: https://youtu.be/kko-hVA-8IU is part 1 and part 2 is also on the channel. -Tupacabra Twitter: https://twitter.com/TUPACABRA2 TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 Introduction 00:03:24 Diana's journey from "atheist" ⇒ "agnostic" (with respect to the phenomenon) 00:07:17 Nuns who saw orbs, every night, then prayed... 00:11:45 What are "beliefs"? 00:12:27 Atheists who believe in God 00:19:50 Spiritual vs Religious (and the Secularization thesis) 00:22:58 UFOs (or the belief in) are like a religion 00:29:37 Psychedelics and religion 00:37:01 Getting flack because of covering the phenomenon 00:39:42 To the skeptics: it's rational to believe in UFOs 00:47:38 Atheism is NOT like a religion, though it can be dogmatic 00:49:18 It's false to say "religions tell you what to think" 00:55:03 The case for dogma 01:01:06 Heidegger on technology not being just another tool 01:06:04 Heidegger and Jacques Vallée 01:10:03 Why do those who study the phenomenon tend to be Catholic? 01:13:49 How the Vatican views UFOs 01:15:12 Are religious stories interpreting UFOs, or are we interpreting UFOs materialistically? 01:20:05 Near Death Experiences, UFOs, and Dean Radin 01:22:35 How the CIA / DOD / etc. work (the nefarious strategies) 01:26:57 What Diana uncovered, that she shouldn't have 01:29:45 Roswell and the Promethean myth 01:31:10 The dangers (and reality) of CE5 01:33:48 Bob Lazar is considered credible by many, behind the scenes 01:36:02 Protecting yourself against disinformation 01:38:08 Academic Openness vs. Governmental Closedness 01:42:39 SpaceX, and writing in Latin for "them" 01:48:18 The president is a "short timer" (this is why he / she isn't told the truth) 01:49:02 Who is Tyler? Why is he significant? 01:50:48 Does the gov't believe they understand what's behind UFOs? 01:52:01 We're dealing with MULTIPLE phenomenon, not just one 01:52:51 Biblically accurate angels 01:55:26 Physical evidence pertaining to purgatory 01:57:36 What's the point in collocating UFOs with religion? 02:02:10 Who is the modern Heidegger? 02:05:21 Jung and UFOs 02:08:00 Plato's Cave and the view that certain people have shackled us 02:12:54 Sangha as The Answer to deception 02:18:46 Rediscovering meaning, Heidegger, Weinstein, and the TOE project 02:22:09 Experiential vs Analytical approach to understanding God 02:24:52 Lovecraft, and the perils of an "open mind" 02:27:14 Epistermic Shock vs Ontological Shock 02:38:10 The importance of Sangha 02:41:21 [Juliano Vargas] Reconciling religion with ET (and does ET believe in a Supreme Creator?) 02:42:15 [Numb Her Two] How has Diana's faith been affected? 02:44:27 Why does the Hitchhiker effect occur? 02:45:32 Angels... Demons... What is the THIRD (religiously interpreted) option? 02:46:45 Rosicrucianism and Gnosticism 02:50:52 Kurzweil's Singularity / Omega Point / UAPs 02:55:14 Jung and the UFO archetype (continued) 02:56:10 UFO hearings (May 2022) 03:00:23 [Tupacabra] Catholic Church, Remote Viewing, Thomas Campbell, and Jacques Vallée 03:05:54 Podcasts being sanctioned behind the scenes for disclosure #DisTOEsure Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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