Eric and Mick discuss UFOs and the evidence behind them. Sponsor: -Brilliant: https://brilliant.org/TOE for 20% off -Get Exclusive NordVPN deal here ↣ https://nordvpn.com/theories It’s risk- free with Nord’s 30-day money back guarantee! -Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code [EVERYTHING20] at Manscaped.com. -Sign up through wren.co/theories to make a difference in the climate crisis, and Wren will plant 10 extra trees in your name! -Trade Coffee is offering our listeners a total of $30 off your first order plus free shipping at drinktrade.com/everything. -Sign up today at butcherbox.com/THEORIES to get two, 10 oz New York strip steaks and 8 oz of lobster claw and knuckle meat FREE in your first order. Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802 Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerch LINKS MENTIONED: - Mick's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MickWest - Crash Course on Physics by Curt: https://youtu.be/e8kyvdPP8os - The Portal (Eric's podcast): https://www.youtube.com/EricWeinsteinPhD - The Tales From the Rabbit Hole (Mick's podcast): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tales-from-the-rabbit-hole/id1462120258 - Need to Know (Ross Coulthart's podcast with Zabel): https://www.youtube.com/BryceZabel and https://needtoknow.today/ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 Introduction 00:03:12 What does Mick respect about Eric? 00:04:20 What does Eric respect about Mick? 00:05:24 What does Curt respect about each 00:06:55 Skeptic vs. Debunker (Mick... which are you?) 00:09:32 Salutary role of skepticism and Eric's thoughts on Mick 00:14:53 The "woo" that's concomitant with UFO research 00:19:00 UFO research isn't a "hobby" 00:23:34 Mick's "agenda" (or non-agenda) 00:25:19 There's no convincing data on UFOs available to the public 00:30:58 The "superposition" argument: Exotic explanations that Mick entertains 00:35:03 Where is the evidence? 00:36:28 Outlying data points matter 00:40:07 Some debunkers stifle the UFO community, but not all debunkers 00:43:34 What's the disagreement between Eric and Mick 00:45:50 Mick has changed his mind about UFOs 00:50:38 CE5 and invitations to Skin Walker (would Mick / Eric go?) 00:53:26 Cattle mutilation? Remote viewing? 01:06:14 Classifying different UFO craft 01:07:31 Why are there so many sober UFO witnesses? 01:09:22 Brandon Fugal's story 01:16:46 UFOs as "technology" vs. "new physics" 01:23:37 The secret history of anti-gravity research with Lefschetz and DeWitt 01:30:58 What terrene explanations are left? 01:41:26 Eric's "sighting" in 1988... 01:44:57 The Skin Walker TV show doesn't help the stigma 01:46:30 Does Brandon have any high quality data points he's not releasing? 01:47:45 Opinions on Bob Lazar 01:48:52 The opprobrium because of stigma is too much. Most can't handle it. 01:51:45 Clearing the air: the Twitter squabble between Eric and Mick 01:54:11 The opprobrium thrown at people who have first hand accounts (continued) 01:58:46 Defending claims made without physical evidence 02:03:05 Some conspiracies are real 02:07:56 Rectifying the ridicule in ufology (from both sides) 02:21:41 What does Eric think should happen, to precipitate disclosure? 02:24:48 What does Mick think should happen, to precipitate disclosure? 02:27:21 Eric asks Curt: "What do you want to see happen?" 02:33:32 Is it so improbable we're visited? If it was us, we would visit other species. * * * Just wrapped (April 2021) a documentary called Better Left Unsaid http://betterleftunsaidfilm.com on the topic of "when does the left go too far?" Visit that site if you'd like to watch it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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