Curt Jaimungal: Explain Like I'm Five? Challenge Accepted.
episodePreviously titled “"Explain it to me like I'm five..." okie dokie” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 3, 2026
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Why is the “explain it to a five‑year‑old” myth considered harmful?
The insidious and derisive claim that if you can't explain it to a five year old then you don't understand it is adopted by some who claim to be parroting Einstein, and it must be true because everything Einstein said was true, right? But this claim is false on so many levels that it's difficult to know where to start. Today I'll cover five reasons it's foolish to say this phrase, what's useful instead to convey, and some advice when learning advanced topics like math, physics, and philosophy. Well, firstly, let's start with attribution. Einstein didn't say this. In fact, Einstein implicitly conveyed the opposite, in some sense, when Einstein chose not to enter the 19th century. Scientific American competition to explain his own theory, relativity, in 5,000 words to a general audience.
Now note here that that's to even a general audience, not just five-year-olds, but rather educated, say, 18-year-olds. Further note that he had 5,000 words. Now you try to say anything uninterrupted for 50 words to a five-year-old, let alone 500 or 5,000. Second, even Feynman said to a reporter who was asking him to explain QED, if I could explain it to you, then it wouldn't be worth the Nobel Prize. Thirdly, what someone calls simple is based on one's own familiarity with the terms, and not on the inherent simplicity of the concept. Indeed, something as simple as a logarithm requires you to know what multiplication is and exponentiation and each of the things. These requires months of drills and hammering home in elementary school, which also requires the concept of addition, and that as well requires months of drilling.
It's only after this process of usage and boot camp that you think it's a simple concept. But there's nothing congenitally simple about it. Fourthly, it's harrowingly often the case that understanding a subject deeply and being able to explain it are. Are only mildly correlated phenomena. For instance, in my alma mater of the University of Toronto, it's infamous for being a research university first and foremost, and this means that they hire based on a professor's knowledge of the field and research and not on their ability to teach. Being a great explainer and a great understander are different skill sets. Fifthly, why the arbitrary cutoff at five years old? Why not explain it to a fifteen year old?
Why not a twenty five year old? Why not a two year old? Next up, explaining second countable Hausdorff spaces to cellular division.
Did Einstein really say you must simplify to a five‑year‑old?
There's an adage in business that you can only have two of the following: speed, quality, and cost. That is, you can't have something quickly with quality unless it's expensive, and you can't have something inexpensive with high quality without it being slow, etc. I think something is true for explanations. When someone's trying to explain something to you, or for you to explain something to someone else, you only get two of the following and not all. three. Succinctness, simplicity, and accuracy. If you want something accurate but succinct, then the explanation will not be simple. For instance, let's tackle the question of what's a classifying space? The succinct and accurate answer is that a classifying space, let's call it B of G for a group G, is a topological space such that its principal G bundles over any other space.
X are classified by maps from X to the space B of G considered up to homotopy. Okay, after you've recovered from your aneurysm, you'd realize that this is not simple in the least. However, it is compendious and true. So, what if you want an explanation of what a classifying space is that's simple yet succinct? Well, a classifying space shows all possible ways some object or group can be organized or arranged. Okay. So that's not Informative, at least not to me, in the least, nor is it entirely accurate, but too bad, we did select simplicity and succinctness. How about if instead we select a simple explanation that's accurate? Well, in some sense, that's what Hatcher's algebraic topology or Brendan's topology and geometry are.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Why is the “explain it to a five‑year‑old” myth considered harmful?
0:00–2:29
2
Did Einstein really say you must simplify to a five‑year‑old?
2:29–4:53
3
What does Feynman’s “if I could explain it, it isn’t worth the Nobel” comment mean for teaching?
4:53–7:13
4
How do familiarity and prior drills affect what we deem “simple”?
7:13–10:05
5
Why are accuracy, succinctness, and simplicity mutually exclusive in explanations?
10:05–11:48
6
What is a classifying space and why is it a good example of trade‑offs in explanation?
11:48–13:31
7
How do multi‑level “infinity” videos illustrate false advertising in science communication?
13:31–15:53
8
What practical advice does the host give for learning advanced topics without blaming the teacher?
15:53–17:33
Speakers
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