YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdDM8YyV7RA Jesse Michels probes UAPs, David Grusch's claims of ufology, venture capital, and the private investment tied to this all. Listen now early and ad-free on Patreon https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal. Sponsors: - CoPilot: Start feeling fit and fabulous! Use this link https://go.mycopilot.com/TOE to start your free 14 day trial with your own personal trainer on CoPilot! NOTE: The perspectives expressed by guests don't necessarily mirror my own. There's a versicolored arrangement of people on TOE, each harboring distinct viewpoints, as part of my endeavor to understand the perspectives that exist. - Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!) - Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE - PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE - Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt - Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs - iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802 - Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e - Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything LINKS MENTIONED: - Doc w/ David Grusch on Jesse Michels (YouTube): https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw - Jesse Michels (YouTube Channel): https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichels - A New Kind of Science (Stephen Wolfram): https://amzn.to/45C3yNP - Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World (René Girard): https://amzn.to/490VKb6 - Conspiracy (Ryan Holiday): https://amzn.to/3S4w6fH - Zero to One (Peter Thiel and Blake Masters): https://amzn.to/45AneBE - The Man Who Mastered Gravity (Paul Shotskin): https://amzn.to/3Q9e7SW - Podcast w/ Neil deGrasse Tyson on TOE: https://youtu.be/HhWWlJFwTqs - Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE: https://youtu.be/MQnGcX7oxms - Documentary on connections in the 1950s with quantum gravity research and anti-gravity or UFOs: https://youtu.be/eBA3RUxkZdc - Podcast w/ Jacques Vallee on TOE: https://youtu.be/uVo51khU8AE - News Nation Interview with Ross: https://youtu.be/x_9gTDXF9Vc - UFOs and Nukes documentary: https://youtu.be/jyTKETcxj0M - The Hunt for Zero Point (Nick Cook): https://amzn.to/3rPkUZQ - The Stars Are Too High (Agnew Banson): https://amzn.to/408nMNZ - Podcast w/ Hal Puthoff on Jesse's channel: https://youtu.be/iQOibpIDx-4 - Podcast w/ Avi Loeb on TOE: https://youtu.be/4j5S_-MCWq4 - Podcast w/ Leslie Kane on TOE: https://youtu.be/j1fN5Gxm9fk - Podcast w/ Jeffrey Mishlove on TOE: https://youtu.be/VFpHk9WqCrY - Why the Soylent Green Creator Went to Goat Farm: https://youtu.be/HUGNqAyBUDw - Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE (Part 1): https://youtu.be/JM3kxeU_oDE - Podcast w/ John Greenwald on TOE: https://youtu.be/NzXPsWQqoYw - Theo Von's channel: https://youtu.be/1cziCepYeEM?t=4673 - Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI - Podcast w/ Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc TIMESTAMPS: - 00:00:55 Interviewing David Grusch... - 00:09:00 The fight against misinformation in UFO studies - 00:13:07 The intersection of consciousness and parapsychology - 00:16:24 String theory and what physics is - 00:20:46 Jesse's relationship with Grusch - 00:25:59 Reverse engineering programs (the greatest PSYOP of all time) - 00:37:00 Oppenheimer's involvement in UFO research? - 00:51:00 Theories behind UFO crashes - 01:20:00 Lessons from investment failures - 01:41:53 UFOs and the private sector (the Wilson memo and AATIP) - 01:50:01 Unseen parts of the Grusch interview (Roger Penrose's theory, multiverses) - 02:03:05 The best evidence for UFOs - 02:10:23 The mystery of Edward Leedskallen (Coral Stone Park) - 02:22:08 Anomalies pointing to new scientific paradigms - 02:35:03 Catastrophic predictions for 2024 from Grusch (what did he mean?) - 02:38:32 Criticism from Avi Loeb - 02:52:59 Advice for studying the phenomenon - 03:00:17 Curt's disappointment in UFO "revelations" lacking tangible evidence Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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