Joscha Bach and John Vervaeke: Mind, Idealism, and Computation

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Previously titled “Joscha Bach Λ John Vervaeke on Mind, Idealism, Consciousness, and Computation [Theolocution]” — renamed by the publisher on Aug 3, 2026

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