860: Suddenly: A Mirror!
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What early experience haunted Aviva DeKornfeld?
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From WBEC Chicago, it's This American Life. I'm Ira Glass, and I am joined in the studio right now by one of my coworkers, Aviva de Kornfeld.
Hi, Ira.
Hi there. And so you're here to tell us a story.
Yes. It happened probably when I was 11 or 12. I was with my older sister, Ora, who's probably 14. And our cousin, Jake, who's 16 or so, he was visiting us. And one night we decided it would be fun to sneak into the community pool, which is just a few blocks away from our house.
The community pool was closed.
Yes, it's probably midnight. Our parents are asleep. We'd never snuck in. So we're walking to the pool, and I actually didn't even want to sneak into the pool. I was scared, but I just, the bliss of being included with the older kids as the younger one very much overrode my reservations.
Absolutely.
So we get to the pool, scale the chain link fence, hop over, triumphant. Immediately, like one second after we've entered the pool, sirens go off. They're so loud. It's like, woo! And then an automated voice comes on and it's like, you are trespassing. The police have been alerted. They're on their way. Evacuate the premises.
Right. And you guys are children, so...
So we panic. And my cousin, he is the oldest and tallest, and he just like runs to the fence, hops over it, clears it, no problem, takes off running. And then my sister is next, and she hops up on the fence, but then she like kind of falls down. She like doesn't quite make it over, and then she hops up again, and she was just moving so slowly in my mind. It was probably 15 seconds actually. And what I did in my panic is she was up about two feet off the ground holding on to the fence. And I grabbed her waist and I ripped her off the fence and I climbed over myself. And it's the... We get home, she's fine. She like eventually makes it over. But for me, this is the first moment that I remember thinking, I have been shown what kind of person I am and I am a very bad person.
Or there is a part of me that is like deeply selfish or capable of deep selfishness.
Yeah. That's like a very grown up thought to have. And there comes a time when you think that for the first time and right, like you're 11 and you're capable of that.
Yeah. And what I saw was this is who you are. You're the kind of person who prioritizes yourself over other people, including the person you love the most. Like my my big sister is like the person I idolized at the time. And we're still very close. But I was like, really, like anything for you. I love you so much. And then it turns out, actually, nope, I just want to save myself when I'm scared. And the whole reason I'm here telling you this story is because I think that lots of people have moments like this and that these moments can act as a kind of mirror that reflects something back at you about yourself.
And does this moment come back to you in the years since?
Absolutely. Every time I do something a little selfish or say something kind of shitty or just like I have some sort of failure of kindness, I think back to this moment and I'm like, well, that's the real you.
Wow. OK, so the reason you're telling this story, I know. is that you have come here today with a collection of stories and moments like this one from a variety of people.
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