Chapter 1: How did Ira's relationship with his parents change over time?
WBEC Chicago, This American Life, I'm Ira Glass. So when I was 36 years old, the year I started This American Life, my relationship with my parents was not the greatest. I've been working at NPR since I was 19, and they were not into it. at all. They were not into public radio. They were not into me working in public radio.
They saw public radio as this sad little backwater when they would listen to all things considered morning edition, which were shows I was working at. I remember they would complain, like, why are the stories so long? They especially did not like that I wasn't making much money. I did not make much money.
They were both people raised in families where there was never any money, and they really organized their lives to get themselves firmly into the middle class. And they really did not understand why I didn't want to make money. And then also, there'd been a period in my early 20s when I was kind of judgy about certain choices that they were making, and I hurt their feelings.
And by my 30s, I tried to make amends and fix that, but it still wasn't quite right between us. And really, I felt pretty distant from them.
Chapter 2: What insights does Ira's mom share about parenting adult children?
They did not hide the fact that they disapproved of pretty much all my life choices, and I didn't feel a lot of patience for that disapproval. And I didn't have, like, a combative relationship with them, but it was just distant. I would go a month or two all the time without talking to them. And, you know, they were busy people, but I am sure this hurt their feelings.
We talked about it later in our lives. And then I started a radio show. I have to say the single most surprising thing that happened in my life because of the radio show is that it fundamentally changed things between me and my parents. It healed things in a way I had not suspected could ever happen.
And what I'm going to do today is I'm going to play you four of those conversations that I had on the air with my parents. I'm going to talk about that change.
Chapter 3: What advice do Ira's parents give him about building his radio show?
A lot of the change happened, I think. because I was just including them in this big project I was doing. I would have them on the show, and they were part of this project that meant so much to me. They were on the show five times in the first year that we were on the air. Really, it wasn't even the first year. It was just like the first eight months.
And we just got into a rhythm of that, and they really liked it. They liked the attention from me. They liked being on the air. They each, but especially my mom, had a kind of performy, hammy side. I'll play you some of these. I think you'll be able to hear that.
And I never asked them about this, but I think they also liked what a kind of like public sort of affirmation it was of them as parents. Like, oh, see, we're a nice family. Like, see, they were good parents. And it really did change things between us. Like, my parents are both dead now, and it still kind of floors me as this lucky thing in my life that I just stumbled into.
And so what I'm going to do today is play some of their appearances on the radio show and maybe jump in just a little here and there to point out things that I am noticing.
Chapter 4: What lessons does Ira learn from his father's brief radio career?
And there's one that I'm going to play at the end. This is a conversation with my mom that still, honestly, it makes my skin crawl today the way it did the day we recorded it. This whole episode today, the way this came about is that about a year ago, we started doing these bonus episodes that we put out in our podcast feed.
And so I'm constantly trying to think of behind-the-scenes stuff to share with listeners in these bonus episodes. And that led me back to re-listen to these old interviews with my parents. And then a couple weeks ago, I put these four interviews into a bonus episode.
And honestly, it came out so nicely that we thought, like, we should put this out as an actual regular episode of our show, one that anybody could hear. And so that's what you're hearing right now. And where I want to start things, this first excerpt is from an episode that we did called Adult Children. This is the fourth time I had one of my parents on the radio show.
This is May 1996, which means that my mom in this recording is younger than I am right now. She is 60 years old in this recording. And I picked this one to begin because it's one that directly addresses the actual tensions between my parents and their three children. Though, as you'll hear, it addresses them in kind of a light way that does not get too deep or heavy.
But you can also feel that there's something real under the surface, I think. Okay, so I'm going to start this with the open of that episode where I tell a little story, very brief story, that kind of sets up the interview that then will happen with my mom. Here we go. Well, when I picked up the phone, it was my mom. And it had been about a month since we had spoken.
And as usual, that was my fault. Anyway, she said that she had been invited to speak with a group of women at the local Hadassah, you know, the Jewish women's organization.
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Chapter 5: Why does Ira feel uncomfortable about a specific interview with his mom?
My mom's a therapist in the Jewish suburbs outside Baltimore. And these Hadassah women have this group that meets regularly. All of them are women in their... I'm just going to jump in again here in 2026. I am reading this in such a heavy way. Hearing it now, it's like I am really trying to milk the drama out of this. Anyway, back to 1996, maybe.
All of them are women in their... I guess the late 40s to early 60s. And when the group first started meeting, apparently they discussed all sorts of stuff. It was wide-ranging. But as time progressed, they realized there was only one topic they all really wanted to talk about. Only one topic they all needed to talk about. And that was their relationships with their adult children.
And at some point, that became the only thing the group discussed. It became its official reason for existence. They had such trauma And they didn't know what to make of what was going on between them and their adult children. And they invited my mom to lead a discussion on how to get along with your adult children.
So as her preparation, my mom's a big preparer, and she does research and looks up articles and calls experts. Anyway, as part of this preparation, she decided to call her own three adult children. By the time she called me, my mom had already called my older sister, Randi. And she asked my sister what advice she would give the group.
Chapter 6: How did Ira's early judgments about his parents affect their relationship?
Randy's advice was brief and to the point. Tell them to get a different leader. Adult children. Okay, so then what happens is that I explain, here's what we're doing on the show today. It's going to be an episode about adult children and their relationships with their adult parents. And then I set up the interview with my mom.
I say that I told my mom that I thought that my sister Randy had been maybe a little harsh in the way that she put things.
Can I say something?
I was just going to say, feel free to amend or correct anything.
Yes, when I told your sister what you said, she said, oh, well, I was just kidding. I didn't mean to be mean.
Oh.
So I don't want her to be blasphemed.
All right, but you're a professional psychologist. Now, don't you think often, don't you think there was a note of hostility in what she said?
Oh, absolutely.
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Chapter 7: What surprising realizations does Ira have about his parents' perspectives?
And I was the facilitator.
And how many women was it?
Around 30 some.
Oh, so a lot. Now, if you had to characterize in a phrase people's relationships with their children, would you describe them as being very good, somewhat okay, generally kind of yucky? I mean, how would you describe it?
I would say that there were a lot of people whose dreams haven't been realized, whose expectations haven't been met, and so there's a sense of disappointment, although there were some people there who were pleased with all aspects. And then, of course, the question was, well, why are you here?
To gloat, was that the answer? To gloat and show you pictures of grandchildren?
A little bit.
A little bit, yeah, okay.
More to connect with the other women, I suppose. But these are the criteria for satisfaction. Do you want to hear them?
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Chapter 8: How does the radio show serve as a bridge between Ira and his parents?
Okay.
Item one for three. Whether they had grandchildren. Somebody announced that one of their children was pregnant with the first grandchild. Everybody went, oh, and they clapped, you know. So that's the epitome. whether their children were successful in their lives, how much they liked their child's spouse and got along with them.
You told me on the phone earlier something interesting about this. I'm just going to interrupt. At this point in my life, I was 36, 37, and I had no spouse and was deeply uninterested in having children. And this was not something that my parents were too pleased about, either of those things, and a point of discussion now and then.
You told me on the phone earlier something interesting about this.
Yes, I told you that there were several people there who did not like their child's choice of a partner at the time that they got married, but had grown to love them very much, and in some cases even liked them better than their own child.
See, now I wonder if that is because there is an inherent tension between children and their adult parents, that the child sometimes wants to be treated as the child and sometimes wants to be treated as an independent adult. And for the parent, it's pretty much a hellish guessing game. And then, yeah.
Yeah, a lot of people talked about walking on eggshells. And how can I, several people said, well, what's the right way to give advice? And, of course, the answer is you don't give advice unless somebody asks you for it.
Do you think that this relationship... Yeah, Mom. Can I just say, from 2026, that was definitely not the standard practice in our own family to wait until somebody asks for advice for advice to be given. And no disrespect in saying that, just a factual statement there.
Do you think that this relationship is harder, the relationship between adult children and their parents, is harder on the parents than on the children?
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