891: The Test Case
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
From WBC Chicago, This American Life, I'm Ira Glass.
Yes, we need the police to come out to Perry Land Detention Center. I don't know what's going on outside. They just told me to call. Okay, you don't know what's going on? No, sir. I think they're doing fireworks.
There's a 911 call on the 4th of July a year ago, around 11 p.m., Alvarado, Texas, about an hour outside of Dallas.
Yes.
The woman calling works at the Prairieland Detention Center. She had the front desk there. And she's calling because a bunch of people have suddenly shown up outside wearing black, some in masks, lined up on the other side of this long barbed wire fence. They're setting off fireworks. It's really loud. This facility is a detention center for ICE, full of people being held on immigration charges. Somebody in the crowd outside has a megaphone, starts calling out to the detainees inside. Esperanza, Hope, you are not forgotten.
What happened at the Prairieland Detention Center on July 4th that launched this trial?
More fireworks go up.
A police officer rushes out to the facility.
Lieutenant Thomas Gross from the Alvarado PD. As soon as he switches on his siren, the dash cam activates in his car, and his body cam turns on. He turns into the Prairie Line parking lot, and in the car headlights, you can see somebody has sprayed fuck ice on a guard shack. Then as he pulls up, he sees somebody running in front of his car.
Hey, stop!
He jumps out of the car, drawing his gun in one hand, walkie-talkie in the other. And this next thing happens almost immediately, just six seconds after he gets out of the car.
I'm hit, he yells. He's shot in the upper shoulder by his neck. He fires back three times. Shooter runs off and hides in a field. Sunfire field, actually. They're all around the detention center. Then cops of all sorts arrive. Local police, sheriff's office, Texas Rangers, and they start arresting people. Some are on the streets, walking nonchalantly away as if they just happen to be here. They are not involved. They have backpacks, which the cops try to search.
If you move, you will be shot. Do you understand me? I am taking off your backpack.
Everybody's on edge because an officer's been shot. The police officer, it turned out he was not badly hurt. The bullet entered his shoulder, came out his back, just below his neck. He was released from the hospital later that night. The guy who shot the cop had disappeared into the sunflower field. He had there for a whole day. Eventually some friends snuck him out. They were all caught. What happened that night on the 4th of July, one year ago, it all ended up in court. It became this major trial where two very different stories were told. The defendants say this was a protest gone wrong. Nobody was supposed to get shot. In other words, this was like tons of other anti-ice protests that had been happening all over the country outside of these facilities where people gather and make noise to communicate with detainees.
But the FBI director, Kash Patel... at a different view. Here he is talking to Fox News host Larry Kudlow. This was a coordinated, planned attack by dozens of individuals to murder police officers. And Larry, a police officer was actually shot in the neck. These guys came and staged a scene at a detention center using fireworks, then brought in long guns and rifles. They were kitted out in bulletproof vests and masks and opened fire at law enforcement. Patel was confident he was behind this. This is breaking news, Larry. Just hours ago, a grand jury indicted two members of an Antifa-affiliated cell. Twenty individuals have been charged so far, but the key here is, for the first time, we have charged these two individuals with material support to terrorism for their involvement in Antifa.
And yes, Antifa exists. It's a terrorist organization. Larry Cutler, the Fox host, interviewing him. That made a lot of sense.
So let's just, just one more moment on that. People on the left and the far left say that Antifa doesn't exist. It's a state of mind, blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean, if they're not real, then how come two people were invited?
How did law enforcement describe the scene and early arrests after the shooting?
They have to be real.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:54
2
What happened at the Prairieland Detention Center on July 4th that launched this trial?
0:54–4:21
3
How did law enforcement describe the scene and early arrests after the shooting?
4:21–38:38
4
What evidence did prosecutors present first and why did 'all these guns' become a turning point?
38:38–1:10:32