TWiT 1099: Pantsless Whims - The Fallout From Meta's $18 Billion Settlement

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Leo Laporte 0:00
It's time for Twit this week in tech. Molly White is here. Jacob Ward, Harry McCracken. There's lots to talk about. More details on the open AI incident. And I think they're terrifying. Molly says, oh, it's just hype. We'll find out. Bill Gates warning us about AI. Apple announcing new hardware. Nvidia buying Huggy Face. There's lots of tech news, and we're going to Cover it all next on This Week in Tech.
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Leo Laporte 0:41
This is TWIT, This Week at Tech, episode 1099, recorded Sunday, August 30th, 2026. Pantsless Wims. It's time for Twit this week at Tech. Time to cover the week's Tech News and what a week it has been. Fortunately, we've got the best in the business here with us this week, Harry McCracken from Fast Company, the technologizer, our uh our technology historian. He's not as old as me, but he remembers the old stuff better, so that really counts. Hi Harry. Hi Leo. Good to see you. Good to be here. Uh also with us the fabulous Molly White from uh Web3 is going just great and citation needed.news. Hello, Molly.
Molly White 1:26
Hello, how are you?
Leo Laporte 1:27
Famous Wikipedia editor. Uh we always ask you about Wikipedia. You do such a good job and it's so appreciated. Even my AI appreciates you. Lately I've been seeing a lot of Wikipedia citations in my AI research. Uh, so thank you. And from the greenhouse, Jacob Ward of the Ripcurrent.com. Hot Wow, look at you. You are living looks like you're li you know what it looks like? You're living in Jacob Astor's private train parked in a siding somewhere in uh the Hudson River
Jacob Ward 2:02
area. Yeah, it's Jacob Astor's private train if he had to build it himself out of a thousand little tiny parts. Did you
Unknown 2:10
build that?
Jacob Ward 2:11
Yeah, we had to this was a this was a a kit greenhouse real marriage test. Can you survive as a couple making a greenhouse? Yeah.
Leo Laporte 2:21
I I know at the Chr every time we have to put up the Christmas tree and hang the ornaments. Yeah. It's it's this close to divorce. Yeah, right. And and the worst is camping, setting up a tent. Now that fortunately Lisa doesn't like to do that, so we don't have to do that anymore. The greenhouse test. You passed though. You passed. It's
Jacob Ward 2:41
beautiful. Yeah, we did when I get to sit here today. So it's pretty good. Yeah, great to be here. Thanks for having me, DL. Thank you for coming.
Leo Laporte 2:46
I just saw you on uh CNN talking about the big meta judgment. Actually, it was about the trial. Meta has settled. We'll talk about that in just a little bit. But I have to Start off with a story we've been covering for almost a m I think a month. But it's got the plot has thickened. We're talking about the hugging face open AI hacking incident. Uh OpenAI brought in meter. To do a full report uh and along with Redwood Research. What's interesting is OpenAI did not give them all of the session traces. For some reason, they went right up to the last 10 minutes of the hacking incident and then shut it off. Maybe they wanted to hide how they Uh me remediated it. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks maybe they wanted to hide how they didn't remediate it.
Leo Laporte 3:42
But if you read this report, it is Kind of an eye opener. So just to get you caught up, I we talked about when we were at Black Hat we saw Open AI's presentation. Uh July seventh through july thirteenth. Open AI testing its new models, which we think is the new Astro, which should be coming out by the way, any week now. Uh uh testing it in uh cyber def cybersecurity gave it a very well known and very, very difficult cyber security test called Exploit Gym. Uh the a AI apparently decided it was either too difficult or that the easier path would be to find the answers out there. It was a open AI says sandboxed, but it managed to escape its sandbox, find machines at OpenAI that could get onto the internet, then go out on the internet
Leo Laporte 4:36
I in the in the by the way, proving its ability at cybersecurity, 'cause it it managed to find zero days in tools that OpenAI was using, zero days on four other sites, including Hugging Face, where they finally found the Exploit Gym answers. That's what we thought happened.

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