Thank you to our Sponsors!Basic Capital: https://basiccapital.com/tothepointChiirp: https://chiirp.com/Contractor Commerce: https://www.contractorcommerce.com/ryno/Bluon: https://www.bluon.com/get-demo?referral_code=ToThePointAvoca.ai: https://avoca.ai/r/tothepointIn this episode of To The Point, Chris sits down with Ryan Lee, founder of Majestic Outdoor Lighting, business coach, and creator of the Light It Up Expo to unpack what it really takes to build, scale, and systemize a high-margin project-based business.What started as a hot tub conversation about $4,000 lighting jobs turned into an 8-figure journey in the landscape lighting industry. Ryan shares how he built a profitable company, exited, and now coaches contractors to scale smarter not harder.But this conversation isn’t just about lighting.It’s about:Turning high-ticket projects into long-term relationshipsCreating lifetime customer value (LTV) in a “one-time sale” industryBuilding recurring revenue in a project-based businessLeveraging referral networks instead of fighting over Google leadsThinking differently about growth vs. profit in the early yearsIf you’re in HVAC, plumbing, roofing, landscaping, electrical or any home service industry this episode will challenge how you think about scaling and margins.⏱️ Episode Timecodes00:00 – Chris kicks off solo + “Sink or Swim” origin story03:00 – Ryan’s journey from MBA to lighting entrepreneur08:30 – What is landscape lighting (and why it’s not landscaping)12:30 – The three pillars: Landscape, Holiday, and Permanent lighting17:40 – Margins, average ticket size, and real profitability22:00 – The power of Lifetime Value (LTV) in project-based businesses25:00 – “Maintenance” vs. “Protection” plans (language matters)27:00 – Selling wants vs. selling needs in home services30:00 – How Ryan would build a $1M lighting company from scratch32:00 – Leveraging referral partners over cold marketing💡 Key Takeaways✔️ Average landscape lighting jobs range from $10K–$20K+ ✔️ 65% gross margins are achievable in this niche ✔️ 20–30% net margins are possible with strong operations ✔️ Recurring revenue doesn’t always mean subscriptions it can mean retention ✔️ Referrals from adjacent trades can scale you faster than paid adsRyan breaks down how understanding customer lifetime value completely changes how much you’re willing to spend on acquisition and how to turn one project into multiple revenue opportunities over time.📌 Resources & MentionsLandscape Lighting Secrets (Ryan’s coaching community)Light It Up Expo (Industry event for lighting pros)Majestic Outdoor Lighting (Ryan’s former company)🎯 Who This Episode Is ForHome service business ownersContractors looking to add high-margin servicesEntrepreneurs building project-based businessesAnyone trying to scale past the “owner-operator” phaseIf you’ve ever thought:“How do I build real wealth in a project-based business?”This episode is for you.🚀 Enjoying The Show?If this episode helped you think differently about growth and profitability:👉 Subscribe to the channel👉 Leave a comment with your biggest takeaway👉 Share this with another contractor or business owner👉 Drop a 5-star review if you're listening on Apple or SpotifyYour support helps us bring on high-level operators like Ryan and keep these conversations going.🎙️ New episodes of To The Point drop weekly where we cut through the noise and get straight to what actually grows your business.#ToThePoint #HomeServices #Entrepreneurship #LandscapeLighting #BusinessGrowth

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