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Today, Explained

Project 2025’s next chapter

07 Apr 2025

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Project Esther offers a blueprint for casting some campus protesters as part of a “Hamas Support Network,” making it easier to detain and deport them. Critics say the plan doesn’t fight antisemitism — and could make it worse. This episode was produced by Amanda Lewellyn, edited by Jolie Myers, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Patrick Boyd, and hosted by Noel King. Further reading: Project Esther: A National Strategy to Combat Antisemitism. Transcript at vox.com/today-explained-podcast Support Today, Explained by becoming a Vox Member today: http://www.vox.com/members An exterior view of The Heritage Foundation building. Photo by Andrew Harnik/Getty Images. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0.623 - 17.647 Noel King

The Trump administration is justifying the arrest and detention of protester Mahmoud Khalil and Rumaisa Ozturk, who wrote an op-ed in a student newspaper, by calling them Hamas supporters. But when asked for evidence, the administration doesn't offer any. Here's a DHS official on NPR.

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18.127 - 20.968 Russell Contreras (Senior Reporter at Axios)

How did he support Hamas? Exactly what did he do?

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21.579 - 35.186 Unnamed DHS Official Quote

I think you could see it on TV, right? This is somebody that we've invited and allowed the student to come into the country. And he put himself in the middle of the process of basically pro-Palestinian activity.

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35.386 - 47.473 Noel King

So where is this allegation coming from? On Today Explained, it might be coming from the same people who wrote Project 2025. Project Esther largely flew under the radar until now.

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47.873 - 58.44 Russell Contreras (Senior Reporter at Axios)

So they didn't actually say whether they took cues from Project Esther. What they said is, well, it's always been a core principle. It just so happens those core principles can be found in Project Esther.

60.925 - 82.249 Megan Rapinoe

Megan Rapinoe here. This week on A Touch More, we are launching our much-anticipated book club, and we're doing it with Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle, who will introduce their upcoming book, We Can Do Hard Things, Answers to Life's 20 Questions. Plus, we've got some fun and important updates from The W and the NWSL, and of course, we've got a new Are You a Megan or Are You a Sue?

82.529 - 86.35 Megan Rapinoe

Check out the latest episode of A Touch More wherever you get your podcasts and on YouTube.

98.021 - 99.662 Podcast Announcer/Producer Voice

This is Today Explained.

100.062 - 113.792 Noel King

I'm Noelle King with Russell Contreras. He's a senior reporter at Axios who wrote that the Trump administration's actions to combat anti-Semitism by calling people Hamas supporters stems from a specific playbook. Russ, what's the playbook?

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