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Today in Focus

How the myth of ‘two-tier policing’ took hold

05 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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This is The Guardian.

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Chapter 2: What is the myth of two-tier policing?

8.204 - 25.431 Annie Kelly

Today, the myth of two-tier policing. This week, one phrase, once only heard on the fringes of the far right, has been everywhere.

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26.018 - 28.763 Unknown

That's two-tier policing. Two-tier policing.

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28.783 - 50.98 Annie Kelly

A two-tier policing system. You must be blind in this country if you do not think that there is any form of two-tier policing. It's been parroted in Parliament by Nigel Farage, on social media by Elon Musk and on the ground by far-right figures such as Tommy Robinson as violent anti-police protests erupted around them in Southampton.

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57.507 - 69.369 Annie Kelly

It's come after the tragedy of the death of 18-year-old Henry Novak, who was stabbed by Vikram Digwa and then arrested as he lay dying. Terrible mistakes were made by the police.

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Chapter 3: How has the narrative of two-tier policing spread?

69.629 - 78.385 Joe Mulhall

Henry did not die with dignity. He did not die with the care he deserved. He lost consciousness before anyone believed him.

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79.259 - 100.731 Annie Kelly

To his family, Henry's death is a warning about the dangers of knife crime. Yet, since Digwer's conviction, their son's death has been shaped into something very different, with claims that it is proof, because Henry was white and his assailant Asian, that white people are treated unfairly and discriminated against by the police.

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102.013 - 112.783 Annie Kelly

The government has now rushed to push back, with Keir Starmer meeting with Henry's family. But is it already too late to dispel the two-tier policing myth?

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It feels a little bit like the genie's out of the bottle, partly because many of the individuals that passionately believe this haven't necessarily rationalised themselves into it. It's very hard to rationalise them out of it with evidence or statistics or facts. It's just a feeling, it's a sense.

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Chapter 4: What events led to the rise of the two-tier policing myth?

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And so once people are into these spaces, it becomes really, really hard to get them out of them.

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134.761 - 167.502 Annie Kelly

From The Guardian, I'm Annie Kelly. Today in Focus, how a far-right policing conspiracy took root in the UK. Hugh Muir, your executive editor in opinion at The Guardian. You have reported on race and policing extensively over the decades. This week, we've seen protests on the streets of Southampton following the conviction of Vikram Digwar for the killing of Henry Novak. Tell us what happened.

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Andy, the most dreadful case, you have Henry Novak. He's a young man. He's 18.

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Chapter 5: Why do some believe two-tier policing discriminates against white people?

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He's from the Trafford 100 in Essex. And he's gone to university in Southampton to study accountancy. And he's basically doing what you expect undergrads to do. He's having a good time. He's making friends. And on the night in question, he was playing football with his friends and he was walking home.

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And in ways we don't completely understand, he had an encounter with Vikram Digra, a tussle for a phone. But what we do know is that at some point, Vikram Digra's brother called the police, said his brother had been racially abused. The police came. And then they had a choice about what to do about that situation because they had Vikram Digra and his brother there.

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Chapter 6: How is the death of Henry Novak relevant to this discussion?

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But also they had Henry Novak, who was lying on the ground and saying quite clearly that he had been stabbed and that he was in a bad way. And the choice was... what to prioritise in that situation. There's a video of it, really, really distressing. What's your name, mate?

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227.99 - 228.13 Hugh Muir

Huh?

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Because you can clearly hear Henry Nowak saying, I have been stabbed.

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234.219 - 236.442 Hugh Muir

Right, let's get you out of there, shall we?

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And in an echo of that terrible case in America, George Floyd, he's also saying, I can't breathe. Grab his other arm.

Chapter 7: What role do far-right figures play in promoting this myth?

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The police officer says, I do not believe you. You've been stabbed. Whereabouts? I don't think you have, mate.

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253.965 - 259.816 Annie Kelly

I mean, and the video is so distressing, isn't it? It's so young, only 18 years old. Just such a tragedy.

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260.938 - 267.03 Unknown

Oh, absolutely. As I say, anyone who sent a child away to university will really feel that.

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267.5 - 278.16 Annie Kelly

And as you said, you know, the death has been very swiftly co-opted by the far right and reform against the very express wishes of his family as well.

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Chapter 8: How does public sentiment influence perceptions of policing?

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That's exactly right. You have to absolutely start there. Immediately after the sentencing on Monday, Henry's father, Mark... said the family will carry the grief of this for every single day. And of course, that must be true. But then he also said, and then this was extraordinary of him, we do not want his death to be used to create further division, hatred or tension.

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299.913 - 311.007 Joe Mulhall

We want his story to make our streets safer for everyone. That is why we are calling on the government to treat knife crime as the national emergency that it is.

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And then what happened was his death was used exactly for that reason. If you look at the comments that followed immediately afterwards, Nigel Farage, he talked about a two-tier culture where the rights and privileges of white people matter less. than those of ethnic minorities and he called for a reaction of what he, his words, pure cold rage.

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And of course what we know is happening in politics at the moment is this kind of battle for supremacy between Nigel Farage's reform and Rupert Lowe's restore. And they seem to be trying to outdo each other in terms of the toxicity of their response to this. So whereas Farage called for pure cold road, Rupert Lowe has called for Digwer to be perhaps put to death.

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He's called back for the return of the death penalty. And he says, quote, keeping this savage alive serves nobody. And he's called for Digwa's family to be deported.

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And so here you almost see that there's almost an arms race in terms of those two parties on the right of the spectrum, each of them trying to gain currency and to gain advantage from what all the rest of us must see as just being an awful, awful tragedy. One that obviously needs some level of investigation, but an awful tragedy.

391.852 - 400.301 Annie Kelly

And so frightening to hear that language as well come into Prime Minister's question time this week. Not something that I think would have happened even a year ago.

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And these things have repercussions. You can't make a direct link between what people say and what happens. But of course, what we do know is on the streets of Southampton, not so long after, there was disorder on the streets. There were police officers attacked. There was what one would normally just describe as rioting.

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And you then have to have a discussion about the political responsibility that people have when that sort of thing has happened. The MP for Southampton test, Satvir Khan, he was the first woman Sikh to become a government minister. And she's received death threats. It really tells you why you depend on politicians to lead responsibly.

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