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Today with David McCullagh

The evolution of the Irish pub

28 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What role do Irish pubs play in tourism and culture?

0.031 - 13.386 David McCullagh

Now, they are part of what we offer tourists. They're a cultural export. They offer a vital meeting space outside the home and the workplace. They make up a large part of Irish social infrastructure and they are also perceived as being under threat.

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13.446 - 27.184 David McCullagh

I'm talking, of course, about the Irish pub, which is the subject of a new book offering the first full-length academic treatment of the subject with 420 pages of text. Over 100 illustrations and 20 contributors from a wide range of disciplines.

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27.304 - 39.526 David McCullagh

One of the co-editors of the Irish pub Invention and Reinvention is sociologist Dr. Perry Sher, head of the School of Social Sciences and Humanities at Atlantic Technological University.

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Chapter 2: Why is there a need for a serious study of the Irish pub?

39.586 - 40.849 David McCullagh

Perry, good morning. Thanks for coming in.

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40.869 - 42.171 Dr. Perry Share

Good morning, David. Lovely to be here.

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42.151 - 60.143 David McCullagh

It's a very heavy book, not a heavy read, but as you say, but a heavy book. And you say in it that sociologists are not unfamiliar with the Irish pub, but they don't tend to write about them and take it as seriously as an academic subject. Why did you decide that it was time for a serious study of the Irish pub?

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60.443 - 82.815 Dr. Perry Share

Yeah, I mean, I've been interested in it for probably 20 years, but I've been making that point for a long time that nobody was really seriously studying it. And maybe it's because it's so taken for granted that sociologists in Ireland have tended to focus on things like poverty and politics and, you know, big social questions like that. And the pub was sort of there, but we all went to the pub.

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82.855 - 87.562 Dr. Perry Share

We walked past the pub. We knew it was there, but we didn't really study it.

87.962 - 96.137 David McCullagh

Right. Big claims to make for the pub as an institution in this. We'll get into them in a bit. What makes an Irish pub special?

96.742 - 118.817 Dr. Perry Share

That's a very tricky question. I think it's some sort of combination of atmosphere, ambience, design, history, even. And the whole cultural place of the pub, you know, in our literature, in our drama, our fiction. Famous, famous writers associated with the pub like Brendan Behan or Sean O'Casey.

118.797 - 131.636 Dr. Perry Share

So it comes together and it has, of course, been packaged now, you know, both in Ireland and internationally as a commodity. But it's that it's a certain feeling which is almost indescribable. And maybe that's why people go there to find out what it is.

131.977 - 143.033 David McCullagh

OK, in search of an answer to that very question. Now, you mentioned Brendan being at the pub has always had its critics. Excessive drinking generates all sorts of problems, as we all know.

Chapter 3: What makes an Irish pub special compared to others?

421.226 - 439.577 Dr. Perry Share

And Tracy talks about the work that went into designing those pubs. It wasn't just a sort of cheap and nasty imitation of a pub. They researched pubs all over Ireland, which was probably a nice job. And they designed Victorian pubs, country pubs, and so on. And they were literally packed into 40-foot containers, shipped off to...

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439.557 - 445.727 Dr. Perry Share

Azerbaijan or Paris or Boston or wherever, unpacked and put into a building as an Irish pub.

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445.747 - 458.747 David McCullagh

Yeah, there's a mention of the line out of Ulysses. Leopold Bloom says it'd be a good challenge to see if you could walk through Dublin without passing a pub. It would be a good challenge to find a city anywhere in the world that doesn't have an Irish pub.

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458.727 - 476.136 Dr. Perry Share

It would, it would. And there's a great website called Publican Enemy where a guy from Kerry is trying to visit every Irish pub in the world. It's a big challenge, I think. There's probably about 7,000 of them. Obviously, it's hard to count them because how would you define them? There's an awful lot of them, yeah.

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476.156 - 480.283 Dr. Perry Share

And some cities have huge numbers, like Madrid and Bucharest have large numbers of Irish pubs.

480.303 - 500.496 David McCullagh

Now, there are a lot of Irish people, I suspect, who wouldn't darken the doorway of an Irish pub when they're on their holidays, unless there's a sporting occasion of some kind, in which case they might be popular, because they might regard them as inauthentic. And they also convey an image of Ireland that many would see as stereotypical in a pretty offensive way.

500.476 - 513.97 Dr. Perry Share

Yeah, and that comes back to that argument I was talking about, you know, the role of the pub versus the role of alcohol in Irish society. And that's, historian Dermot Ferreter has traced that for, you know, way back in, you know, for the foundation of the state.

514.511 - 526.163 Dr. Perry Share

There was discussions about pubs and about Ireland being over-pubbed and, you know, and not wanting to have that reputation of Ireland as a drinking country. So there is a lot of tension in that argument.

526.818 - 536.679 David McCullagh

Yeah. And of course, the part of the sales pitch for the Irish pub abroad and here is that it is a location for the crack.

Chapter 4: How has the Irish pub evolved over time?

795.004 - 800.128 Dr. Perry Share

That was a pub that was threatened with demolition as well. So it's great that it's still there and long may it last.

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800.108 - 809.832 David McCullagh

Okay, Dr. Perry Sher, sociologist and co-editor of the Irish pub Invention and Reinvention, which is published by Cork University Press. Thank you so much for joining us.

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