How Money Printing, Inflation, and AI Will Reshape Wealth and Employment | Arthur Hayes X Impact Theory w/ Tom Bilyeu

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Arthur Hayes 0:00
This is the defining moment of what it means to be human. Are we going to blow ourselves up because we couldn't decide how to share? Banks either adapt or they die. We all believe that the government is supposed to save us. Therefore, the government says, okay, great. We don't want to raise taxes because that's very unpopular, regardless of whether democratic or not. If you own a house, you want what Trump wants to have happen, right? He's going to pump your house price too. I worry very much about society tearing itself apart. To say that he is against socialism just doesn't, you don't remember what happened in 2020. The United States is not going anywhere just because debt to GDP is 135 or 140%. There's an immense capacity to add more debt in the US situation.
Arthur Hayes 0:36
If you don't like the way the situation is in the United States, there's a whole big old world out there. Leave.
Tom Bilyeu 0:44
Arthur Hayes, welcome back. Thanks for having me. Excited. Dude, always a pleasure. Researching you for these interviews is important, quite frankly, to my macro thesis and how I treat my own money. So I'm always excited to get a chance to sit down with you and bring all the things you're thinking, the things that are influencing me directly to the audience. So I appreciate the time. Awesome for having me. Thank you. All right. Well, let me ask you, the economy right now feels pretty brittle to me. Crypto has dipped hard. Stocks are whipsawing. AI looks like the biggest bubble ever. What is the real force underneath all of this? And is the economy about to break?
Arthur Hayes 1:27
I know most of the listeners here are from the United States. And I think that there's been a lot of discussion of the K-shaped economy and There's a very small percent of people who are doing very, very well. And then the majority of Americans, if you take a look at some of the consumer sentiment surveys, think this is the worst economy since the 70s. Even worse than the global financial crisis, when it looked like the world was going to implode on itself because of over-leveraged American subprime mortgages. And the question is, why is that? If supposedly real GDP is growing at... 3% a year. Supposedly, people are making more money and all these sorts of things. And I think the name of the game is inflation.
Arthur Hayes 2:10
People really feel inflation. And I know that the authorities in the United States and around the world like to say, oh, the year-on-year change is either decelerating or it's in deflation. But everyday, people don't give a fuck about the rate of change. They care about the actual price level. So like how much does stuff cost right now? How much did it used to cost? Did my salary keep up with that? How do I feel about this situation? And obviously the answer is that majority of people in the United States and around the world are like, I'm getting inflated away. I afford less than I used to. I need to buy all these things just to have a job, whether it's a cell phone or it's a car or it's a type of dwelling that I live in or it's childcare or all those sorts of things.
Arthur Hayes 2:58
And I look on social media and I see all the influencers are partying like it's 1999, but I'm broke as fuck and I'm working one, two jobs and I'm barely treading water. And so I think that's why A lot of Americans and a lot of people around the world feel this sort of apathy and disillusionment with this supposedly amazing world economy that we have right now.
Tom Bilyeu 3:21
Okay. So walk me through, how did we get here? What is the driving factor? There's a lot of different theses about what exactly put us in this position. I certainly have one. My audience will be very familiar with my take, but walk me through what's driving all this.
Arthur Hayes 3:40
I mean, at the end of the day, it's all about money printing. Every single economy in the world is essentially a fractional reserve banking system with this sort of Keynesian economic bent, meaning the government's supposed to spend money to incite demand. And if there's ever a situation where there's too much credit or too much... over-leveraged, then the government comes in and saves those who are the bad actors in the economy, prints a bunch of money, and then the party continues.

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