Conditioned “NO” Beats Reward-Only Every Time
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What types of predatory behavior do dogs exhibit?
All right, guys, I'm gonna show you something interesting with one of my dogs today. Many dogs love chasing squirrels, rabbits, cars, bikes, you name it. But not all dogs are the same. Some dogs chase for fun, It's kind of the thrill of the run. It's only the chase part alone of the complete predatory sequence. So they may stop at the tree, bark excitedly, but ultimately they kind of bounce back to you. And this is what I call play predation because there is really no intent to kill. Now, there is this other type of dogs, like the dog that I'm going to show you. They chase with purpose to kill. They lock in hard, they stay frozen in a stealth mode for an hour waiting to strike or just choose option B and go in a wildest chases disregarding any obstacles along the way.
Never really thinking about self-preservation or anything. This is the full predatory drive. The motivation is deeper and harder to override because succeeding, the catching and the killing, is hugely self-reinforcing.
How do play predation and full predatory drive differ in dogs?
The dog literally pays itself with adrenaline and completion of the instinct. Now, let me tell you a little bit about the dog that you're gonna see shortly. Her name is Kalinka. She's a three-year-old Malinois female. And I got her back. I bred her and I got her back when she was two years old. So she had already some history. The reason she came back was because She was just too much dog, too high energy, just a young and active working Malinois that doesn't really fit well living in a condo in the city. However, she mastered the skill and the skill is hunting and catching and sometimes killing squirrels. So the reason I'm giving you that background is because we need to make distinction between the two types of dogs, the one that play chase and the one that have very different intention.
The first three ways to control such behaviors are extremely limited and they typically rely on few protocols. desensitization, counter conditioning, differential reinforcement, and what you would call predation substitute protocols. However, none of this is effective in controlling dogs that chase with the purpose to kill and have history of doing so. Let's look at the desensitization for example.
What challenges do high-energy dogs like Kalinka present?
It's a protocol that gradually exposes the dog to the trigger in a bigger distance. or with a low level of intensity. So the distance, for example, is big enough to where the dog doesn't react yet. And gradually we start getting closer and closer to the trigger, a squirrel in our example. Now, if you believe in anecdotal stories and want to give this a try, go ahead, but Keep in mind that desensitization is meant for very different purposes. It's typically for fear-based reactions and phobias. In predation, the dog is not afraid. They are highly motivated by their instincts to kill. This is genetic programming that it's really deep. Anybody can desensitize a dog to a squirrel that is 200 feet away. However, the moment that squirrel bolts under their nose, the biological threshold is crossed and game over.
That dog is gone. The counter conditioning approach. What does it mean? If you are not familiar, basically is pairing the exposure to the squirrel with high value treats. The idea, the intention is to change the dog's emotional response from hunt to look at the owner for food.
Why are traditional training methods ineffective for predation-driven dogs?
Next, we have the differential reinforcement. Differential reinforcement alone, it's also not successful. The idea here is to reinforce different behavior other than chasing the squirrel, like sit or watch me, whatever you can think of. Now, there is also the predation substitute training. And the idea here is to encourage the dog to chase and catch a toy instead of the live animal. The problem is that if the reinforcement is presented after the chase starts, the dog is already locked in, the predation motor pattern system is activated, and at this point, No other reinforcement are acknowledged by the dog. Done. Like you can go as far as even to offer another squirrel from your pocket. It doesn't matter.
The dog is already locked on the target and it's mentally, if not physically as well, gone.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What types of predatory behavior do dogs exhibit?
0:10–1:35
2
How do play predation and full predatory drive differ in dogs?
1:35–3:16
3
What challenges do high-energy dogs like Kalinka present?
3:16–4:52
4
Why are traditional training methods ineffective for predation-driven dogs?
4:52–6:32
5
What is desensitization and how does it apply to dog training?
6:32–7:38
6
How does counter conditioning aim to change a dog's behavior?
7:38–9:35
7
What is the role of verbal cues in controlling dog behavior?
9:35–11:08
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How can effective training provide freedom for high-drive dogs?
11:08–14:10