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An Honest Conversation with a Christian Nationalist - Andrew Wilson

19 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What personal responsibilities do we consider in our lives?

0.031 - 14.197 Francis Foster

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Chapter 2: Why is it important to address difficult questions about mortality?

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55.6 - 63.493 Andrew Wilson

And the outcomes of Christian ethics, even on secular society, are the best outcomes. That's the case I would make for why I think Christians should be in charge of basically everything.

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63.953 - 74.791 Francis Foster

What you're talking about is dominance by one group over everybody else. Because we've got a better view, right? Yeah. You would outlaw homosexuality. Sure.

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74.991 - 76.914 Andrew Wilson

Well, no, I would outlaw homosexual marriage.

77.696 - 80.46 Francis Foster

But isn't homosexuality wrong also?

80.525 - 81.507 Andrew Wilson

Sure, it's immoral.

81.527 - 82.389 Francis Foster

So why wouldn't you outlaw it?

82.409 - 92.914 Andrew Wilson

You don't need to necessarily always place a law in against something which is immoral. I don't even understand what the purpose is of the vote for women. What is it? What is the point here?

Chapter 3: What is the impact of Christian ethics on society?

188.728 - 209.881 Andrew Wilson

And so I'd started to ask to come up and talk to them. Hey, why don't you have me up on your little show here? And then I'd go on the show and obliterate them. And after a while, that picked up a little bit of steam. People started putting it on YouTube. And then the content became popularized. And here I am. Never thought in a million years I'd be an entertainer.

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209.981 - 215.029 Andrew Wilson

And I never thought in a million years that I would be engaged in as many high-profile debates as I have been.

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215.39 - 217.553 Francis Foster

And why do you enjoy doing this?

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217.573 - 225.465 Andrew Wilson

Because a lot of people think it's a weird thing to do. Because I hate leftists. So, I mean, just like, if you want me to be blunt.

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225.505 - 226.446 Unknown

Why do you hate leftists?

226.763 - 232.733 Andrew Wilson

Because there are psychopaths who are going to destroy everything that I care about through suicidal empathy.

233.154 - 236.239 Francis Foster

Do you mean progressives or do you mean leftists, like the entire left?

236.881 - 252.147 Andrew Wilson

Look, I consider the delineation of the threshold minute. Because? Because when you really get into the granularity, it's all about ethics and they don't have any. And so because there's no ethical foundation, all you're talking about is degrees of psychopathy.

252.953 - 264.094 Francis Foster

What about people who just want like a little bit more wealth redistribution, but generally they love America. I mean, those people, they are decreasing in percentage on the left, but they do exist, right? Why do they want it?

Chapter 4: How do differing worldviews affect our understanding of morality?

869.093 - 892.402 Andrew Wilson

um but with the internet this was bound to happen now you can have ideologies which are exported and imported and they can be exported and imported quickly and so because of that you can have um you know whole swaths of a population begin to move towards an ideology which they never would have before because there was no way to basically deliver it. But now there is.

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892.922 - 907.74 Andrew Wilson

And so now it's a race for power. It's made the best ideology win. And from my view, if it's not Christians who win it, then it's going to be somebody else who wins it. And Christians are going to be ruled by whoever that is or whatever ideology that is.

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907.72 - 924.598 Andrew Wilson

But if you think that I'm wrong, explain Hassan Piker, explain Vosh, explain the rise of communism in the United States and the brand new communist lens in which many leftist progressives are now looking. These are the most popular streamers.

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925.051 - 938.976 Andrew Wilson

Well, I mean, that ideology was all but dead, but now it's reemergent through the technology of the internet and introduced to a whole new generation as being edgy and countercultural, just like it was the first time.

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Do you not think the reason that we have seen this resurgence of communism is someone who comes from a country who sadly embraced it? Britain. Yeah, exactly.

998.404 - 1002.408 Francis Foster

Yeah. No, that's not, we are embracing. I should have said my own joke, but it was a good one.

Chapter 5: What are the implications of rights and societal duties?

3278.27 - 3280.733 Andrew Wilson

Which ones would you prefer make the laws of your nation?

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3281.814 - 3305.239 Unknown

But isn't that just quite a simplistic way of looking at it? For instance, if you look at literature, we had Christians saying certain books shouldn't be published. For instance, Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence, a classic of English literature. They didn't want that to be published. They were bolderizing Shakespeare. But surely you're a freedom of speech guy, aren't you?

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3305.675 - 3313.646 Andrew Wilson

I mean, to an extent. So here's my view on rights. What is a right? Let's start with that. What is it?

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You tell us.

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3315.268 - 3324.101 Andrew Wilson

Well, it's a social construction that we made the fuck up. That's what a right is. If it's something else other than that, tell me what it is. Where is it?

Chapter 6: How do personal beliefs shape views on education?

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I can't see it, touch it, taste it.

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3325.963 - 3329.248 Francis Foster

So it's a social construction that you have a right not to be forced to wear a mask.

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3330.39 - 3332.172 Andrew Wilson

Yeah. What else would it be?

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3332.287 - 3335.667 Francis Foster

Okay, fine. Yeah. So where's this going? What's your argument?

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3335.687 - 3356.597 Andrew Wilson

Well, the argument is just like, rights are made up. Here's what's actually true. What's actually true is you have a right to do whatever you can do within the purview of force. And that's it. You have rights because people use force to ensure that you have rights. The second people don't ensure that there's force used so that you have rights, you don't have them anymore.

3357.578 - 3370.916 Andrew Wilson

But the secularists, or in this case, not really the secularists, but the atheist mind or the non-religious mind, they can't ground rights in anything. They made them up. So they don't come from God.

Chapter 7: What is the role of women in society according to traditional views?

3371.157 - 3389.565 Andrew Wilson

They just made them up. So what they're saying is, is that we just make this shit up and somehow we're just all going to adhere to it even though there's no overarching real moral duty to do so. Where does it come from? Nowhere. So rights don't even exist. You can't, again, you can't taste them, can't touch them, can't smell them, right? They're just products of the mind.

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3390.226 - 3401.406 Unknown

But come back to me about the D.H. Lawrence boulderizing Shakespeare point. Yeah. And you clutched your heart as if you were clutching pearls in a kind of mocking way, which is interesting. Why do you feel that?

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3401.426 - 3410.061 Andrew Wilson

Who gives a shit? I give a shit. Well, okay, great. Ground it. Ground why I shouldn't outlaw that book. Why is it immoral for me to do that?

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3410.902 - 3415.787 Unknown

Because you are American. You believe in the First Amendment. You believe in freedom of speech.

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3416.067 - 3423.754 Andrew Wilson

So you're going to appeal to my morals? From your view, your view, why is it immoral for me to do that? Why?

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Why is it immoral for you to do that? Because I believe that artistic creation is one of the ways that the human being expresses itself.

3433.823 - 3442.201 Andrew Wilson

Makes sense to me. Notice how you caveated that with I believe. Well, I don't believe that. Now what? Now where are we?

3442.682 - 3446.269 Francis Foster

Well, that's why we have democracy, so we can adjudicate.

3446.329 - 3452.743 Andrew Wilson

So again, now we're just back to outsource. So as long as I can democratically convince enough people to outlaw that book, yeah.

Chapter 8: How can societal values influence legislation?

3456.486 - 3473.244 Francis Foster

Like if you live in a society where 99 out of 100 people believe that something should be X and you believe Y, I mean, logically speaking, you're going to end up in a society that outlaws X. You would end up in a society which outlawed X, but that doesn't mean that's right. No, I agree. Or wrong, right?

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But then ultimately you have a choice of whether you choose to live in that society or not, right?

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3477.968 - 3498.848 Andrew Wilson

To an extent. Yeah. I mean, to some extent, maybe you have some control over that. But I guess the point I'm making to you is not that I would outlaw this book, right? The point that I'm making to you is that you don't have any justification for me not to. Like, who cares? Oh, you believe that, so? I believe different. Now, what's the media? What is the threshold breaker?

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3498.868 - 3504.534 Andrew Wilson

Well, now we're just going to appeal to a majority again. Well, if that's the case, then if I appeal to the majority to outlaw the book, bye-bye book.

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3504.714 - 3522.075 Francis Foster

Andrew, I'm not trying to argue with you for the sake of argument. It's a really enjoyable conversation, actually. I appreciate the way that you stay calm and on the point. But I'm not clear what point you're trying to make here, particularly with the Shakespeare thing. Rights or force? That's my point. No, I agree with you on that. Ultimately, in practice, that is what happens.

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But what are you trying to say?

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It's not ultimately in practice what happens even. It's even philosophically the case. From the non-Christian view, when you say things like, don't you appeal to the First Amendment or this right, right? That's what I'm getting at. Don't you appeal to this right? This right, we need to have the adult conversation, doesn't even exist.

3543.353 - 3556.844 Andrew Wilson

It's just a social construction that we made up and it was pinned on a piece of paper and we pretend that it's something we actually adhere to, but it's really not. Violate it constantly. I don't care.

3556.864 - 3577.602 Francis Foster

Well, you argue about it, and that's why you have a judiciary system to adjudicate whether you are right. But I mean, it's not just some random people wrote it down. It's the founders of your country wrote it down because they were trying to set a set of rules for this society to operate by in order to fulfill what they thought would be a vision of a new country that would be a good one.

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