Mehdi Hasan Debate on the Iran War, Immigration and the Israel Lobby

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Konstantin Kisin 0:22
The war in Iran, what do you make of it?
Mehdi Hasan 0:25
Right now, I think it's a disaster. I don't think it was legal. I don't think it was justifiable. And I think a lot of innocent people are dying as we speak without any real justification.
Konstantin Kisin 0:34
Israel's war goals and interests are actually very clear. I'm very unclear as to what the U.S. wants.
Mehdi Hasan 0:39
Well, if it is the nuclear program, this is not the way to do it. Negotiations are the way to solve. Most experts say you cannot bomb away a nuclear program. It's in people's heads. All of the available evidence suggests he is losing. What do you mean? Strategic experts will point out that a country like Iran wins simply by surviving.

What are the implications of the war in Iran?

Francis Foster 0:57
We have to admit that there have been fundamental failings on the left. For instance, having an open border.
Mehdi Hasan 1:01
There's no open border, Francis.
Francis Foster 1:03
That doesn't mean it's open.
Mehdi Hasan 1:04
That just means they managed to come in illegally. That just means the border wasn't as secure as you wanted it to be.
Well, hold on a second.
Mehdi Hasan 1:09
Open border means I can just walk into America.
Konstantin Kisin 1:11
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Francis Foster 1:28
Mehdi Hassan, welcome to Trigonometry. Before we get into the meat of the interview, Iran, domestic policy, all the good stuff, tell us who you are and your journey through life.
Mehdi Hasan 1:37
That's a big question. Thanks for having me, guys. My name is Mehdi Hassan. I am the editor-in-chief of a media company called Zateo. I've been a journalist here in the US and in the UK for the past 25 years. I'm old. I used to be at MSNBC. I've done shows for Al Jazeera. I've worked at Sky News. I've worked all over the place. So I do interviews. I do shows. I write books. And I'm stuck in the middle of all the current controversy right now here in Washington, D.C.
Francis Foster 2:01
So what I find very interesting is you're from the UK, you're left wing. What brought you to be on the left?
Mehdi Hasan 2:09
To be on the left? Yes. I grew up in a very political household where my father, my late father, who passed away last year, was very, very political, loved Harold Wilson, immigrant from India to the United Kingdom in the 1960s, arrived in 1966, a great year to arrive in England. And yeah, I grew up in a household where we were taught to give a damn about what's happening in the world. care about causes both distant and nearby. I've always cared about justice. I'm also a Muslim. As a Muslim, you're taught from a very young age to give a damn about your society, your community, about a world bigger than yourself. So justice, I guess, justice has been something that I've cared a great deal about. So yeah, I was an angry young man in my teens.
Mehdi Hasan 2:45
And it's probably, you know, they say you grow out of it as you grow older, but I didn't.
You didn't.
Francis Foster 2:50
Absolutely fair enough. So what brought you to the US? Why not stay in the UK and focus on UK domestic? And be angry there.
Mehdi Hasan 2:58
Moral outrage. The, I mean, one, there's a history of British people coming to the US, both in the media, in entertainment across the world, you know, to look at different opportunities. I was always fascinated by the United States. I'm sure both of you guys, you're here in DC. US politics is fascinating. It affects all of us around the world. Also, my wife is American and they say a happy wife is a happy life. So... At some point when she said, you know what, we've done a good gig in the UK. Why don't you come try live in the US? So I moved here in 2015, just as Donald Trump was coming down the golden escalator. So it's been an interesting 11 years.
Konstantin Kisin 3:29
Well, it has. And as we sit here in DC, big things are happening globally. The war in Iran, what do you make of it?
Mehdi Hasan 3:41
Right now, I think it's a disaster.

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