Why Modern Society Makes Us Depressed - Sebastian Junger
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It's clear that our society, for all of its wonderful benefit, it's clear that our society is not providing enough human connection to keep people happy. We're way out on a limb here with this individuality. I mean, humans have never survived as individuals. It's not possible. You take someone, you put them down in the wilderness by themselves, they die almost immediately. As a species, we are social primates, and we owe our lives to the group, and we have to participate. We have a duty to the group in order to stay alive. That's what being human means. If you can simultaneously understand that you are part of a community of humans, you're lucky to be so, what do you owe them? Because the more you give them, the happier you will be.
The more affluent a society, the higher the levels generally of anxiety, depression, suicide, addiction,
Sebastian, welcome to Trigonometry. Thank you so much. It's great to have you here. We wanna talk about your book and the broader questions that come out of it. But before we do, tell us a little bit about who you are. How are you sitting here? What's been your journey through life?
I grew up in Boston. I moved to New York in my 30s. I was a freelance war reporter for many years. I also wrote a number of books. My first one was a bestseller, The Perfect Storm. But as soon as that came out, I went back overseas and I covered the civil wars in West Africa.
What societal factors contribute to modern depression?
I was in Afghanistan in 1996, and then again in 2000 with Massoud, and then later with American forces. Eventually I had the great good fortune to work with a British photographer named Tim Hetherington. And he and I shot and directed and produced a documentary together called Restrepo about an outpost in Afghanistan that we were at off and on for a year. And then we were nominated for an Oscar. And a few weeks later, Tim, we were going to go on assignment to Libya to cover the Civil War. Tim went on his own because I had to delay the trip. And he was killed outside of the city of Masrata. And after, he was hit by shrapnel from a mortar fired by Qaddafi's forces. So after that, I sort of had, I got out.
I sort of had my fill. Like, I couldn't imagine going back to war. Not because I was... worry about my being killed. I was worried about others. I mean, I was sort of worried about how it would affect my family, my friends, right? I suddenly realized watching Tim's family, like, what I was actually gambling with their lives in some way, their happiness. So I stopped and I got married. I had... two children, two little girls who are now nine and six. And now I make my living in quieter ways, so is a writer. And the last book that came out was called In My Time of Dying. After all that war reporting, I'm healthy. I'm an athlete. I've never thought that I would ever go to the ER for anything other than a car accident or a chainsaw accident or something.
I had an aneurysm in my abdomen that I didn't know about, an eruption. Wow. And I lost half my blood, and I came extremely close to dying. And I didn't know I was dying, but I got to the hospital in the last phases of hemorrhagic shock, convulsing on the table and stuff like that. And it barely saved me. But one of the last things I remember was that they were working to put a large gauge needle through my neck into my jugular to transfuse me. And as they were doing that, I'm an atheist, right? My dad was a physicist and an atheist, like atheist squared, basically. And the universe kind of cracked open underneath me, and I started to get pulled into it. And I was terrified. I didn't know I was dying.
I was terrified of the darkness. And then my dead father appeared above me to comfort me. and said it's okay you don't have to fight it you can come with me i'll take care of you i said to the doctor you got to hurry because i'm going i didn't know where i was going but i knew i was i was leaving and uh so that you know i'm still an atheist and i'm happy to talk about that but but that really rearranged some of my assumptions about the nature of uh of life and consciousness and time and life and death and all those all those big things and now here i am
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–1:52
2
What societal factors contribute to modern depression?
1:52–5:33
3
How does individuality impact human connection?
5:33–10:51
4
What lessons can be learned from war correspondents?
10:51–16:11
5
How does community involvement affect mental health?
16:11–25:28
6
What role does duty play in human relationships?
25:28–29:27
7
How does modern society influence our sense of purpose?
29:27–36:15
8
What are the implications of technology on human connection?
36:15–1:07:39
Speakers
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