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True Crime Conversations

Inside The Hidden Network Of Men Drugging And Raping Their Wives

03 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What happened to Gisele Pellico and how did her case unfold?

4.79 - 28.865 Gemma Bath

It's a regular Sunday in 2018 in Devon, England, and the Watts family have just returned home from church. Zoe's four children have dispersed to various corners of the house, and she's settling in for a day at home when her husband of 16 years makes a confession. He's been crushing their son's sleeping medicine into her nightly tea and raping her once she passes out.

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Chapter 2: How did Dominique Pellico recruit men for his crimes?

29.747 - 42.689 Gemma Bath

He reels off a shopping list of abuses he has subjected her sleeping body to. Zoe is in shock. Her entire life, her marriage, it all shatters in a single moment.

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Chapter 3: What shocking discoveries did CNN make about global networks of abuse?

43.53 - 75.55 Gemma Bath

He's been doing it for years, he says. Zoe starts to panic. The reality of what her husband, the man she has trusted, loved, parented alongside, confided in, what he is telling her is too painful to comprehend. I'm Gemma Bath and you're listening to True Crime Conversations, a podcast exploring the world's most notorious crimes by speaking to the people who know the most about them.

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Chapter 4: What insights did investigative journalist Saskya Vandoorne gain from infiltrating these groups?

76.272 - 103.62 Gemma Bath

In 2024, the world learnt the name Giselle Pellico. Between 2011 and 2020, she was drugged and raped by her husband Dominic and 50 other men in the couple's home while she was unconscious. 72-year-old Giselle waived her right to anonymity in his trial. And we followed along as the proceedings detailed at least 200 horrific rapes, all of them filmed.

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104.501 - 114.537 Gemma Bath

Dominic advertised his wife on a sex chat website, giving rapists instructions on what to wear, where to park, how to abuse his wife.

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Chapter 5: What is the definition and impact of 'sleep content' in the context of abuse?

115.399 - 145.429 Gemma Bath

No condoms required, he'd tell them. These men were firefighters, truck drivers, nurses, their next-door neighbour, men from in and around Giselle's small village in France. The case shocked and horrified the world, but Giselle's bravery in owning her story and her refusal to carry shame saw her become an international feminist icon, a symbol of survivor resistance.

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145.662 - 158.567 Gemma Bath

But this case, this abuse, it's not unique. In March, 2026, CNN released a shocking investigation exposing a global rape academy.

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Chapter 6: How do societal perceptions affect survivors like Zoe Watts?

159.248 - 184.769 Gemma Bath

Thousands of men across the world in group chats, teaching each other and swapping tips on how to drug and rape their wives. On one website, they found more than 20,000 videos of so-called sleep content. They had hundreds of thousands of views. Saskia Van Dorn is an award-winning investigative journalist and CNN's Paris bureau chief.

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185.59 - 193.818 Gemma Bath

During this investigation, she talked to several victim-survivors and infiltrated one of the group chats sharing rape sleep content.

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Chapter 7: What challenges do survivors face in seeking justice for their abuse?

194.619 - 213.976 Gemma Bath

Saskia joins us now. Saskia, thank you for joining us on True Crime Conversations. Firstly, you covered Giselle Pellico's case intimately in 2024. You went to her husband's trial. You've spoken to her since.

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Chapter 8: How can we tackle the growing issue of drug-facilitated sexual assault?

214.676 - 223.847 Gemma Bath

What impact did telling that story and hearing those details in court have on you and your next steps journalistically?

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225.515 - 257.457 Saskia Vandoorne

I think if there's one word that stays with me, it's scale. Because I remember when I was sitting in the courthouse and Giselle Pellico's lawyer began describing the website that Dominic Pellico had used to recruit over 70 men to rape his wife. And he described it as the weapon of the crime. And That's how I think you can understand how we get to a scale of 70 men.

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257.618 - 289.035 Saskia Vandoorne

If it was not for this website, Coco, Dominic Pellico would never have been able to find like-minded men, men who shared the same fantasies that he had. And I think that that's what began what made us want to look into these sorts of websites and, of course, porn sites where you are now consuming porn on a scale that is massive.

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289.015 - 306.111 Saskia Vandoorne

So I think those were kind of the two, the link between these stories, which is the scale of the men and then the scale of the content that we discovered on this website that we went undercover on.

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306.472 - 317.402 Gemma Bath

How did you discover that there was more content beyond Dominic Pelico's kind of chatroom website he was using? Was it hard to find these other platforms, this other website?

317.922 - 345.249 Saskia Vandoorne

It wasn't hard at all. There were websites that were advertising themselves as Coco's replacement. So men, you'd find men discussing this on Reddit chats, online forums where they would say, oh, Coco's been taken down, but you might want to head here, here and here to find the same kind of content, to find the same like-minded people. And that's how we began going down this rabbit hole.

345.75 - 364.09 Saskia Vandoorne

And then Motherless, which is the website that we ended up going undercover on, we had also heard from these German journalists who had worked extensively on this site. And they had already brought to light a lot of what we will talk about later on, I imagine, sleep content.

364.711 - 375.187 Gemma Bath

Can you tell me about what Motherless looks like? on the face, like when you go onto this website? Because it's not something on the dark web. It's available just on a normal browser.

375.227 - 407.915 Saskia Vandoorne

It's readily available. It's not on the dark web. You can access it super easily. And as soon as you are on the landing page, you're just going to be faced with tons of videos showing, you know, different types of porn. So you're going to have porn that is categorized as incest, porn that's categorized as teen. And then you will have search terms, for example, ZZZ, passed out, I check.

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