Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
Hi, friends. I just have a quick favor to ask you. Would you guys go and vote for the Clues podcast for the Webby Awards?
Chapter 2: What is the significance of the Clues podcast award nomination?
My very, very first podcast award nomination ever. And it's actually with the show that I do with Kaylin, who's our guest today. It's called Clues. It's an amazing true crime podcast where we're really trying to be victim centered and just highlight inadequacies in the cases.
But it's been such a labor of love, intense research, hard work from the two of us and the whole team at PAVE and Crime House. So if you could go and vote for us, I would really, really, really appreciate it. I'll have the link in the description. I can't thank you guys enough for all your support and hope you enjoy this episode with the two of us. Thank you.
okay here we go let's do it this is our fourth episode we've recorded together this week oh my gosh yeah yeah because we've had clues we this is such a full week of recording we're literally punching this in on a weekend yeah we're here on a saturday we're just getting it done it's so wild but we've had some really really good episodes on clues this week i i like still i can't get over the fact that we have a show together still
I know. It's so fun, though. It's so good. I was doing Heart, Sweat, and Surrounding just by myself for so long. And it's nice to talk to another person. I know. But also, we're just, I don't know. I think our work ethic is so similar. And we like the same things. And we say no to the same things. So it's just like, it's truly such a good match. Two peas in a pod. Two peas in a pod.
And now we're sitting here with our little blankets. I know. Doing another little two hot takes episode. I will say this. The last one I was on was Scary Stories, which is so much more my domain. That's where I live. That's where I thrive. So I'm curious to see what you have for me today because. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be different. It's scary in a different way. Yes.
You're like, it is still scary. It's still scary. It's still scary. But yeah, today's theme is kind of a let's not meet again. Like, do not come to my house. Do not call me. Do not pass go. And I do have a couple like spooky-ish vibes at the end too. Excellent. So I'm kind of just giving you everything.
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Chapter 3: How do the hosts relate to each other's work ethic?
I love it. I love it. Let's not meet stories. There is something about them that is like catnip to me where I know it's bad for me because I have such a body reaction to reading them. Oh, it gave me nightmares last night. But I have to read them. I fully had nightmares. Yeah. Yeah. But it's just like it's popcorn inducing. Like you just, especially for you, you love a scary movie.
I just like to be scared, I think is what it is. Does anyone else enjoy being scared? Yeah, I'm curious for anyone watching who also loves scary movies and also loves the let's not meet and the creepypastas and all that stuff. Like, what is wrong with us? But also, yeah, why do we why do we do it? I read that someone was saying once that people with chaotic.
childhood sometimes really like horror because there is kind of comfort in the chaos or comfort in the controlled environment of like your emotions rising and falling and you know your your heart is pounding and you're scared and you're sweating but you know that you're safe because you're in a movie theater and it's just on screen so I went the opposite way. I had the chaotic, crazy childhood.
And then I was like, please put me in a room that's filled with Care Bears. Yeah, and now you crave comfort. And soft blankets and cozy pillows. I know. I kind of am the opposite way, too, in the sense that I don't think my childhood was that chaotic. But now I love kind of the chaos and the heightened emotions and the scary and the adrenaline of it all. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.
I'm so curious. There's got to be some sort of psychoanalysis to all of that. We definitely have some psychologist... in the audience yes please let us know please help us do we need to do inner child work what do we need yeah what's going on for those that don't recognize the voice with me today we've got kaylin moore in the house of heart starts pounding
I just had Ron Funches on and he's like, I've watched like 2000s WME wrestling. And now all I want to do is like have a wrestling announcer like announce all my guests for me. That's really good. We should have like entrance music as we come in. Just play a song.
Justin!
We'll put him on it. He does all the music for the show. He'll DJ in the corner. I get comments still about what the intro song says. I don't know you guys.
literally is it vocals it's vocals it's like a music plug-in and he then distorted it and when you take all of the other plug-ins off of it and like play it at the speed it's intended to me it sounds like taking me out taking me out yeah but sometimes i hear that's a big meow oh yeah to each their own so maybe it's nothing maybe it is something yeah But okay, let's see what I got for you here.
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Chapter 4: What themes are introduced in today's episode?
Why do we have you here? I know I did go back to work pretty fast afterwards, which I... Don't know if I would recommend to people to do. No, do not. We got to be like the Swedes, like where they just like. I know. They don't work for a year. I have a whole year off. Yeah. You really do need it. You need it. I think to stay sane. Yeah. Okay. So this one is just a couple of days old now.
It's titled, My 25 Female Boyfriend, 25 Male, Kept Staring at a Woman While We Were at Our Baby's Checkup. Interesting. All right. Continue. Instantly mad.
Yeah.
Hey guys, I want to start by apologizing for my English. It's my second language. I literally have no one to talk to about this and I feel like I'm going insane for feeling this way about this. So me, 25 female, and boyfriend, 25 male, have been together for two years and I'm currently pregnant with our first baby. I'm 27 weeks and last Tuesday I had my monthly appointment.
I was looking forward to it since the last time I saw my baby, he was 600 grams, 1.32 pounds. And this appointment, he was 1 kilogram, 2.2 pounds. And it was the 4D scan. Anyways, I woke up early, cleaned the house a little, made breakfast, took a shower, and I got ready. I was super excited. I am currently still working, and I made this appointment so we could both be there because we're free.
Fast forward, we got to the clinic and I had to go in first as there was no parking spots available nearby and I was afraid of being late. When I got seated, there was a woman in front of me who was very beautiful. She looked younger, in shape, short, dressed very nicely. After a few minutes, I see my boyfriend walking in and he was barely looking at me.
He was insistently looking at her while walking towards the seats. And after he got seated next to me, I could see him just staring at her. I felt sick, like he was comparing me to her. I felt so freaking large and huge and ugly beside her. It just ruined the moment and the appointment for me. And he is such a respectful guy.
I've never seen him stare at a woman or say anything about a woman before. I swear to God, in that moment, I felt like he was just like the rest of men and there was nothing special about him anymore. And I feel so bad for feeling like this. He has all the rights to find other people attractive. But I felt like he betrayed me and our baby in that moment.
I tried to brush it off that day because we also went to his parents' house to show them pictures with the baby, but when we got home, it was all I kept thinking about. I didn't talk to him about it because I know he will brush it off or say I'm exaggerating, but we also haven't been intimate in a couple of months now. It feels awkward because of the baby, so I kind of get it.
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Chapter 5: What are the psychological implications of abusive behavior in relationships?
That's why I'm like, what the... Like, I would want to clear my name. Like, this is not me. Like, if someone was sending crazy stuff to anyone, my partner, my friends, I would... I would do anything. I would change my number, despite having it since, like, the fifth grade. I would go nuts.
Chapter 6: How does the narrator handle the situation with her husband?
But if it is him, because have you dealt with stories like this before? I feel like you're kind of more wrapped up in like the psychology of people. But no, someone who is, I don't know, playing the good guy at home and then going to work and texting horrible things to his own wife, deleting the messages off his phone so he can come back and be like, see, it wasn't me.
That's some sort of abusive control situation or some. I don't even know if if it is him.
Chapter 7: What updates are provided about the mailman incident?
Yeah. No, that's like severe psychological abuse. Yeah. It's almost like a more extreme form of like negging to get someone to then like work harder for your approval. Yeah.
Chapter 8: What is the final ghost story shared in this episode?
Like to say things like you're pathetic. You'll come crawling back eventually. Like some of it was kind of like, are you trying to like keep me under your thumb and like I need to seek your validation more?
Yeah.
But then some of it where it's like running to mommy's just proves my point. I don't know. It's interesting. Like is he having an affair and he logged into his iCloud?
Phone what are like messages on her computer now she's sending this hateful stuff as a way to separate them or is he trying to like push her to divorce him or is it some sort of like you were saying nagging where I want you to stay with me but I want you to really fight for my affection so I'm like planting the seed of doubt. What do you think?
What does your gut say if it's him or if it's someone else? I can't really tell you my gut because we get an update. Okay. And I know it happens. So I've been like, I've been trying to like, I'm like, I can't, I can't ruin it. Okay. I will say I'm going to read the top comment after the update and it does give a spoiler for that doc, but I will make a very clear spoiler warning so you can skip.
But okay, let's get in to the update. I did a lot more research and some comments helped me investigate. I think I know how the messages are happening from multiple devices. Because we message using WhatsApp, after doing some research, it does allow for multiple devices to be connected to the same account. So it is possible someone else could be doing it from his lost phone.
But overnight, the messages didn't slow down. They actually got worse. They weren't just insults anymore. Some of them started to feel like threats. I was terrified. Things about how I would regret leaving and some a lot worse. I barely slept last night because of it. At one point late last night, I finally texted back and I said that if the messages didn't stop, I was going to the police.
I know a lot of people said not to do this, but I couldn't take it anymore. And I knew that whether it was my husband or not, the person doing this would at least see it. I know I made a lot of people angry that I just couldn't make up my mind on what to do, but here's your reminder. This is my husband, the man I loved unconditionally for over 10 years.
Dumping him and blocking him out of nowhere isn't an option. We built a family and a life together. My life isn't a movie. I can't just cut the last 10 years out, like many of you insinuated, as well as calling me a liar, an attention seeker, and pointing out every mistake I made.
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