Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello, and welcome back to the Friday Feels episode of the You Up podcast. I'm Jordana Abraham.
And I am Jared Freed. It is so good to be back here with you, Jordana, but it is especially good because we have two very special guests from the Dear Shandy podcast, Charlene Joint and Andy Levine. Thank you guys for coming on.
Thanks for having us, guys.
What's going on?
How are you guys today? It's good.
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Chapter 2: What are the unique perspectives on dating advice shared by the guests?
It's good to be here. I know we didn't cross paths. You asked if we were up, and we said we were up, and then you never consummated the thing. So now we all have to fuck.
Oh, they didn't tell you that's how we do all the episodes?
They locked the doors. Now we're in your pocket. So you guys have a podcast, Dear Shandy. You talk about dating, relationships. I mean, why do we have to do this? If you do what we do, what do we need to do this for? What is the... Meeting of the minds. What's the meeting? What are we going to talk about?
I guess it comes down to who was doing it first. What year did you guys start?
Before you. Really?
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Chapter 3: Why are people often confused instead of just turned off in dating?
So we went there. What's the nature of the podcast? How did it start? I know you were on The Bachelor. Yes. And Andy, what did you do before?
I was just doing my business. I was just a businessman.
Okay, that's a secret. That sounds like a grift.
It was business, you know, business here, business there. What pyramid scheme did you have? It was a couple of things, MLMs. But no, I met this beautiful woman, and we dated for a few years. Yes, many years. Actually, we got married like a year after. We got married really fast, actually.
Chapter 4: How do the guests define the difference between true love and true likes?
I proposed to her five months after I met her. Five months. Interesting story. I meant to propose three months after I met her. We were in Italy and I had a ring in my pocket that I brought from New York and I was in bed with her. I was like, I'm gonna do it now. I don't care.
You know, all the times I tried to get it romantic, like at the top of a castle outside, it was like raining and there was too many tourists. I was like, I'm doing it right here in bed. And I went into my pocket and I was like, I can't get the thing out. Like it was stuck in the bottom of my jean pocket. And I was, I just couldn't get out. So I was like, I'm not going to do it.
It was taking too long. So I proposed a couple months later.
Had you discussed engagement?
Chapter 5: What insights do the guests offer about their experiences on reality TV?
No.
No. You wanted to surprise me. Wow. What are you doing in Italy three months in? She was singing.
She was an opera singer.
And you were just like, I'm coming. What's this business that you do that affords you to go to Italy three months with some random opera singer?
Fun fact, his business or what he does outside of the podcast is top secret information. We never divulge on our podcast.
You never divulge.
So our shandies of nearly six years still don't know what Andy does.
Don't you think that's an issue for a dating podcast where you're supposedly the honest one who gives it to people straight and you're not talking about money at all?
That's right. Well, the reason I set that precedent is because I do not believe that work should be discussed in the first couple of days.
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Chapter 6: How has social media influenced modern dating dynamics?
I've delegated the business.
You think in the first few dates that is not worth bringing up at all?
Well, the first few dates for sure. But I've always been on a first date with our fans.
Andy has always hated the question, so what do you do on a date?
I'm asking it right now. I think it's very important to the conversation because money revolves around all of this, don't you think?
Take your pants off. Let's see if it's worth it.
I absolutely will.
I don't care.
I have no issue.
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Chapter 7: What are the challenges faced by men in dating today?
No, I would not trust someone who won't reveal what they do for a living.
I wouldn't trust me regardless of me revealing what I do for a living.
Even that answer is not trustworthy. That is a not trustworthy answer. Because three months in, here's my point. How did you guys meet before three months?
I happened to sit next to him at the Wooly, and he picked me up.
The Wooly? What's the Wooly?
It's an event space that now doesn't exist. It was at the Woolworth building. It was like a nice bar, though. The setting was like a nice bar.
So New York City, you're at a bar. And you, who spoke to who first? I asked her.
Look at him. You think that he doesn't have the moves?
Well, I used to. Yeah, he's a professional con man.
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Chapter 8: What makes Love is Blind a standout reality show for relationship dynamics?
Doesn't tell people what he does. Of course he has the moves. Thank you for the professional.
Six years not telling a listenership what you do. And they trust you.
I will add to this that when we started the podcast, it was sort of like in the pandemic. It wasn't sort of. It was in the heart of the pandemic, out of our living room. And we're like, we don't know if this is going to be a thing. And in general, like I was the more public figure out of the two of us. And we didn't want to like force him to be more public than he felt comfortable.
And now it has just become a thing.
It's become a thing. Well, you were famous for turning down The Bachelor, leaving the show.
I watched that season. We used to recap it. I used to do the recaps unless I said something negative about you, in which case it was someone else. You probably said I had to stick up my ass. No, I think we really liked you. Here's the thing. It was like a very big power move to leave The Bachelor when he was like really into you. Yeah. You weren't into him.
It was like the one honest thing about the thing is that you were all dating this man and you'd be like, I'm getting to know this man and I'm not really that into him.
I think I took the whole thing maybe too sincerely because the way I saw it was like, this is a guy I would totally hook up with. He was fun, he was hot, and there was really good chemistry. But then you go in the ITM room and they're like, so are you excited to introduce Juan Pablo to your parents as a potential future husband? And I was like, eh.
I wasn't able to keep a straight face through those conversations, and that didn't really translate. There came a point where it was like, well, then what are you doing?
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