Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1051 | Jase Reopens Old Childhood Wounds & Preston Perry Does NOT Hold Back About Sin
Wed, 05 Mar 2025
Jase receives a package in the mail that puts a new twist on a familiar debate, and Zach can’t even mount his own defense. Preston Perry, an apologist, poet, host of "With The Perrys" with his wife, Jackie Hill Perry, and author of “How to Tell the Truth,” illustrates how his childhood in the South Side of Chicago brought him to the feet of Jesus and why it’s important for Christians to genuinely connect with each other, no matter what community we come from. “Unashamed” Episode 1051 is sponsored by: https://preborn.com/unashamed — Click the link or dial #250 and use keyword BABY to donate today. https://myphdweightloss.com — Find out how Al is finally losing weight! Schedule your one-on-one consultation today by visiting the website or calling 864-644-1900. https://puretalk.com/unashamed — Get 50% off your first month when you make the switch! https://vom.org/unashamed — Request your free copy of When Faith is Forbidden today by visiting the website or by calling 844-463-4059. Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the Unashamed mailbag segment about?
I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We love getting fan mail. It's the Unashamed mailbag, which I get. Some of you are not happy with me because I mentioned the mailbag a while back, but we just periodically go here. So I know some of you like that regular segment.
Chapter 2: What was the debate about the best hamburger?
I've noticed a pattern of behavior from our audience. They will hear an argument. And most of these things so far have been non-biblical, the arguments. So quite a few podcasts ago, I'd already just disfellowshipped Zach on this issue. But our Unashamed Nation representative has spoken, and they want to resolve an argument that we had that I think was unresolved.
And this was, you'll have to scroll back a few podcasts. Remember when we had the debate about the greatest hamburger and who makes them?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And Zach had everyone on the edge of their seat because... We resolved it. He said he had this secret thing that made it over the top. And he kind of tried to sell it on his body type, you know, because you're thinking... You know, I never trust a skinny chef, you know. That was pre-PhD weight loss.
This was pre-PhD.
All of a sudden, he dropped the processed cheese.
Yeah, American cheese.
I'm telling you. And I thought, no, I'm out. So here was a letter.
And I concurred with Jace because I'm a cheddar man.
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Chapter 3: Why is cheese so important in this discussion?
In America? Yeah, it's the kingdom of cheese. I mean, they wear cheese on their head.
No, I'll say they're known for their cheese.
I agree. And they are in America.
Now, listen to this. As a proud Wisconsinite and a granddaughter of the founder of Sargento, which is a company that produces cheese products. Which is one of my favorites. Yeah, and we're not here doing a commercial for Sargento. Although we're open if you'd like to do that.
Yes, we are. I use their product.
I love their product. My favorite product they have, and it's hard to find, they put peppers in Colby Jack cheese. They call it Pepper Jack because I don't... So it's like, if you get cheddar cheese, okay. You get pepper jack, okay. But somehow they combine that, but it's not in our area very much. And so I always tell Missy, she's like, what are you out of? And I'm like, go find that. I love it.
So she said, I couldn't help but feel the need to chime in. So she's chiming in on the argument. Okay. Now listen to this. This is her letter, not me. Admittedly, everything Zach was describing as to how he makes his burgers sounded mouthwatering, dot, dot, dot. Until he dropped the line about a slice of processed cheese on top. I literally gasp out loud in horror. Yuck.
Processed cheese just doesn't compare to the real deal, Zach. It sticks to the roof of your mouth. It's oily and it isn't even all cheese. So don't call it that. So what she did. And she sent, I guess from her parents or grandparents, a box of cheese as a compromise. And I didn't even know Sargento made this.
Oh, and we have... We got hats.
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Chapter 4: What’s the story behind the Louisiana prison visit?
No, I'm combining the origin plus the taste because my first reaction to it was a gag reflex. And I thought, this doesn't taste like cheese.
And I will say this about her saying that it sticks to the roof of your mouth. Only if it's cold. If it's melted onto a hamburger, it does not stick to the roof of your mouth. It actually becomes almost like a... It's not quite a sauce because it's not that runny, but it's like it's in between like a cheese melt and a sauce. But it kind of infuses. That's what makes it good.
It infuses with the burger. It's burger fusion.
This looks better. So we're going to try. We're going to try. We're going to check it out. All right. So we're going to take a break. We have a guest that has nothing to do with cheese. coming up that I am super excited about. You will love to hear his story. It's going to be fantastic. So we'll tell you about him when we come back from the break. Jace, I got a question for you. Yeah.
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Chapter 5: How does Preston Perry connect with the audience?
And, you know, you know, Christ is the common denominator, just connects us all, you know, our love for Jesus. And so I thank God for this, this huge family that I'm a part of now that I
Absolutely. And Preston, you met Zach, and Zach told me y'all met in Angola. And I was like, wait, what were y'all doing in Angola? So he had to tell me what y'all were doing there. Angola, the prison? The prison, the Louisiana, our big prison, as they call it. So what were you doing, Zach? What were y'all doing in Angola when you met Preston?
We were there with God Behind Bars. Layla was singing with Ella Worship and Preston gave his testimony and preached, which I have to say, you did awesome, man. He brought the house down.
Yeah, yeah. It was an honor to preach to all those inmates right before they did baptism and just talking to the inmates and seeing so many inmates give their lives to the Lord and get baptized. That was crazy, you know, people coming up to me and telling me, you know, That they, you know, are going to die in prison, but they're alive in Christ. So that was powerful.
I will always remember that day. It was powerful, powerful, you know?
Yeah. Yeah, I was there a few years ago with Dad, and I've said this before on the podcast. He had one of the greatest opening lines ever. He said, just because you're under lock and key does not mean that you can't be set free. And that was his opening line. He went to Galatians 3 about the whole world's a prisoner of sin. And it was just a powerful thing.
And, you know, someone told me just this last week, Preston, that they had piped in dad's message into even death row, which, you know, Angola is our death row prison. And I think there, I don't know how many death row prisoners there are, but it went, the message went into there and we had heard back that at least five people had given their lives to Christ. after that message.
And the guy that was telling me this said he had just been notified this week because we hadn't had any executions in the state of Louisiana in a long time. But one of those five is slated for execution soon. It just happened. But now we know that he's committed follower of Christ, even in this situation. So it just reminded me of the parable about the kingdom, the guys that get in the last hour,
You know, they're still in, which is the beauty of that, you know.
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Chapter 6: What challenges do young Christians face today?
with people that kind of validates God came to earth and he had conversations with people. I mean, you know, you had Nicodemus and, you know, he was a religious leader and he tells them the exact opposite thing that you would ever think somebody would tell a religious leader, which is you need to be born again.
And then, you know, in John 4, he talks with the Samaritan woman, which had broken so many rules, just having the conversation at the well. And her past was, to your point, very transparent. And then Jesus, you know, kind of identifies with, yeah, he knows your past, and he knows your present, that you're currently living with a guy that's not your husband. Right.
Chapter 7: How does transparency impact faith discussions?
And then she became kind of the first missionary in that town. And I remember reading that at 14 years old, and I thought the same thing. I thought, man, this is so real and transparent and the opposite of what I'm now hearing at the church building that I'm going to. Wow.
Yeah.
So maybe that's why we developed this, which I think it's doing Jesus stuff, having conversations with people. wherever you are, because I think that's how God works. That's amazing.
Well, I haven't mentioned the book, but it's called How to Tell the Truth. And for those of you watching, I've got a copy of it here in my hands. And what Jace just talked about, Preston, was learning from the master, was the chapter in the book when you talked about what he just said, is that you learned a lot of your skill set to talk to people from what Jesus did. Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
Just in talking to folks, right? So talk a little bit about that. You know, people struggle. I have so many on our podcast that say, I want to be able to share my faith more openly, more clearly, but I'm not sure how to do that. And you said in here in your book that some people's personality lends itself to that. But we all kind of have...
uh a responsibility to try to share that so what would you tell folks that to how to do that better because your book is really and by the way if you want to know how to do it better get this book yeah yeah for sure i think a lot of times when we think about being like god i don't know if we think about being like god in in the terms of evangelism because i think you know
Like we forget that God became man. Sometimes we forget that the God man was actually, you know, a man and vice versa. But I think when you think about when Jesus came to the earth and he incarnated himself to come to the earth, like he literally showed us how to interact with people, to talk with people, you know, in his humanity. And so like one of the things that I learned,
thing that makes people nervous about evangelism is they think they have to know a whole bunch of information instead of asking good questions so people can teach you how to serve them. Does that make sense? Yes. And so, for example, you guys just brought up, you know, the woman at the well. Jesus asks her a question that he already knew the answer to. He says, where's your husband?
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Chapter 8: What is the significance of the latest book mentioned?
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You said that the success doesn't always end in the sinner's prayer. And I love that picture because you said that the planting of the seed may be the important moment of that conversation that you're having. This may come to fruition much later down the road, which is, again, a very biblical concept. So you're not sure where your role is in this process.
Man, that's good. That's good that you brought that up, because, you know, I think that's another thing that deters people from being evangelists. They walk away and say, man, this person did not hear me. I suck at this. And it's like, no, don't. Don't think that like, if you think that every conversation is supposed to end with this in his prayer, you'll never be an evangelist.
Yeah.
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