Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1056 | Jase, Al & Zach Absolutely Lose It over a Classic Phil Folklore Tale
Thu, 13 Mar 2025
Jase narrates a classic Phil tale from a whole new angle, leaving Al gasping, Zach gagging, and himself struggling to keep it together. Al and Zach confess to thievery in their pasts, but they’re intent on setting it right. The guys explore the story of the “bronze snakes” during the time of Moses and how that symbol is commonly embraced today by the medical community. In this episode: John 3, verses 10-17; Numbers 21, verses 4-8; 2 Corinthians 5, verse 21 “Unashamed” Episode 1056 is sponsored by: https://puretalk.com/unashamed — Get 50% off your first month when you make the switch! https://smartcredit.com/phil — Get a 7-day trial for just $1, see how many points you can add to your credit score! https://vom.org/unashamed — Request your free copy of When Faith is Forbidden today by visiting the website or by calling 844-463-4059. https://myphdweightloss.com — Find out how Al is finally losing weight! Schedule your one-on-one consultation today by visiting the website or calling 864-644-1900. Listen to Not Yet Now with Zach Dasher on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or anywhere you get podcasts. — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What classic Phil tale does Jase share?
I am unashamed. What about you?
Welcome back to Unashamed. Jason, did you catch my sermon yesterday or were you on the road?
Well, look, I'm going to give you an interesting analogy about time. Because look, I don't know when this episode will be aired. Really, only Maddie knows for sure. So look, it will be a certain amount of time from now. Because here's what happened this past weekend. I went on this trip. Oh, it's great. Well, it was during the weekend that time sprang forward.
Chapter 2: What interesting analogy about time does Jase discuss?
Ah, forward, yeah.
Is sprang a word? Yeah, spring is a word. Spring, spring. I try to use proper English when I'm around guys of your vocabulary. In the redneck world, it's optional. Spring is a word. It's optional. And so, you know, it's an interesting thing if you think about it. Because here we are in the middle of nowhere, Arkansas. And I only have about four hours.
Once I got to the hotel after the event, I only have about four hours before I have to get up. So you're flying home Sunday morning. Oh, yeah. Okay. So I'm looking at this, my clock that's on my phone. But it hasn't moved the time back. Because it won't until 2 a.m. So I tried to manually move it back. Because I said, I don't trust this thing. What if it didn't catch the memo?
Because I'm not missing this flight. Guess what? Can't do it. I had to trust a phone. And I don't like that. I only trust Jesus. And I got that from Jesus when he said, I don't trust what's inside a man. And I thought, you know, I had an idea about how you can make a lot of money.
Because in that moment, when I entered the hotel, because it was the night that we're going to spring forward, I would have paid $100 for an old-fashioned alarm clock.
Because guess what was not in the room? Alarm clock. Alarm clock. Yeah, they've gotten rid of them because of phones. And even if they do have one, you can't manually change it unless you've got a Phillips head screwdriver.
I'm just saying, I want to introduce this. Zach, you're a businessman. I think if we had a team of people that went on street corners, especially around hotels, the people that are traveling. and sold old-fashioned alarm clocks, you could make millions of dollars. Because in that moment, I thought, I would buy one.
And look, I introduced this thought on the elevator because surprisingly, I realized Northwest Arkansas's airport is not very big. It's small. Everybody was leaving. Everybody in the hotel, we all gathered up like cattle. Everybody's getting a shuttle to get out. And I said, you know what? I'm going to make, because everybody was grumpy. Nobody's had any sleep.
So you were about to have a marketing.
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Chapter 3: What story about stealing does Jase reveal?
That was a butt whooping offense.
Butt whooping offense. You don't even consider it. If it does not belong to you, you walk right past it. I mean, he did not like thievery at all. He hated it. And that's why he was so protective of his nets and his materials. So I knew don't steal no matter what.
But I was making the point that stealing in the context of Ephesians 4, remember he says, I don't want you to steal, but I want you to work so you can produce something to give to someone else. So the whole point of stealing is most of the time, especially the people who have had problems with addiction, like most people I was speaking directly to, you steal because you want something.
Yeah.
And it's easy. It's easy. You hustle and sell drugs because you want to do drugs. And that was totally resonant. So I broke dad's rule and the rule of the almighty.
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Chapter 4: How did Zach and Jase confess to their past thievery?
Did you make restitution? You need to send the salty dog.
The salty dog. You know what? Let me tell you the rest of the story. What if the owner of the salty dog is a podcast listener and says, man, I knew those shorts thieves.
You know what? I do need to make it right. I'm going to look and see if it's still in business. If it is, I'm going to send them a check. I'll even factor in inflation.
Yeah.
For what we did.
That would be an awesome story. And then see what they said. See what they say.
I stole 22 years ago. I hope the statute of limitations is up. No, it is. It is. Is it up?
Yeah, it is.
Well, what happened was, see down, hope it's not. I hope it, yeah.
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Chapter 5: What biblical references are discussed in relation to stealing?
You're the judge.
What is your verdict on this?
Now I've tapped into Zach's tight side. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to make my part right.
I will commit to making my part right. We're making progress in this podcast.
One good. As Jace has spoken. All right. Let us know, Zach, how that turns out. Yeah. All right. So I've been waiting patiently to get to this reference because we did a lot of speculation about what Jesus might have been talking about to Nicodemus. But I know one thing he did talk about. And so I want to go back and reference that.
Well, I think we know what he was talking about. We were just trying to get the specifics.
But I don't know, Jase, if you noticed when you went back to numbers, there's a couple of interesting things that happens before that. Now, we wouldn't recognize it. But I think Nicodemus would. And so let me just read the text.
Well, catch up. Everyone who may not have listened to the last podcast. Give us a context here. We introduced the idea wherein John 3 says, when he gets down to, I think I should just read it, verse 10 through 15. Because Nicodemus in verse 9 is like, well, how can this be? And the whole idea of being born again, born of the Spirit, born from above, the Holy Spirit's like the wind,
And verse 10, he says, you're Israel's teacher, said Jesus, and you don't understand these things? I tell you the truth. We speak of what we know and we testify to what we've seen. But still you people do not accept our testimony, which is a reference to John 1 when John said he came to, To that which is on, and they didn't recognize him. They didn't recognize Jesus as the Son of God.
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Chapter 6: How does the story of bronze snakes relate to modern symbolism?
And then it was like, what just happened? He said, I almost got snake bit. But he was like, high level. Oh, I know.
I mean, we've had multiple. I mean, I'll tell you one more quick one. And this has nothing to do with this snake. I don't think I've ever told this before because this is lowbrow. But it's a true story. So Maddie's going lowbrow on me over there. So look, me and Jay Stone are riding on our property. And we rounded a bend. And we both instantaneously said,
Good grief, look at the size of that Congo, and I'm scrambling for a gun. It was in the middle of the road. Head cocked up, and we both did jump out like military-trained people, and I never went to the military, but Jay had. We came at it from two separate angles, and it was just sitting there.
You flanked it.
Because I thought this was a declaration of war, because usually we've killed so many snakes on our roads, they stay away from where we travel. And this one's got his head straight up. Straight toward the four-wheeler. And we got closer and closer, and I'm like, there was some debris to the side of it that was white. And I thought, what is this thing snooping around in the trash?
And when we got about eight feet, safety's off, fixing to fire, we realized that this is not a snake. Someone had an emergency bowel movement, and it looked identical to a cottonmouth, including a discoloration of the popped-up head.
Oh, man. Gosh. Oh, Lord have mercy.
Forgive us. Forgive us, Lord.
We started laughing so hard because the white debris was actually toilet paper. So we get back home and we're telling Phil's like, you're not going to believe this. We stalked a pile of poop that looked like a cottonmouth. And Phil said, boys, I had eaten some Mexican food.
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Chapter 7: What insights do they provide about Ephesians 4?
There's also this idea, if you think, go back to that Numbers 21 passage. What's weird about it is that what was the thing that caused them to be sick? It was the bite of the serpent. And then the thing that was healing them was the bronze serpent.
I'm laughing because a while ago a story caused you to be sick. I mean, that was our first gag reflex. I mean, you're making a great point, but I just couldn't help but think that. You're like, what caused them to be sick? I'm like, well, sometimes you just hear the story about it, and it makes you nauseous.
Sometimes you hear a very, what do you call it, a lowbrow story. But it is interesting. I think it's emblematic or representative of Genesis, right, that the serpent was the one who, you know, made them sick, so to speak.
And so when the, there's that imagery in the old Testament and Genesis and the, you know, which is some people consider that to be the first gospel where the, the Jesus will crush the head of Satan. And so what you're getting a picture here of the full scheme of redemption, that Christ is to look up at Christ.
And that's the irony of that, that bronze serpent is actually what they're saying is this is God's defeat of the serpent. And so, You're seeing it played out with Jesus, who his heel will crush the head of Satan, and his heel will be bruised, is the prophecy in Genesis 3. That's being accomplished here. That's the story. You're looking up to the Son of Man, who now is that bronze statue of
of the serpent who will defeat the serpent and the sting of sin, which is death in the end.
I do want to give you one little Paul Harvey, the rest of the story, because this bronze snake winds up making the trip into the promised land, and it winds up being in the Ark of the Covenant with a lot of other things from the trip, because God wanted them to remember what he did.
Yeah, this is fascinating.
So we get in 2 Kings 18, and guess what happens? In this time of idolatry, the people start worshiping the bronze snake. Exactly. And so Hezekiah, who was the king at the time, said, cut that thing into pieces and spread it out all over Israel where we won't worship the bronze snake. So it just shows you the idea that even the symbols, people tend to want to worship them.
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