I’ve been talking for years about having a stack that works and not jumping every time a shiny new tool comes along, but I’ve never really unpacked how I got there. In this conversation, Tom Wyant from Wyant Technologies joins me to walk through the real‑world impact of switching RMMs, PSAs, documentation tools, security platforms, and even client portals and payment systems. We dig into migrations that looked good on paper but turned into months of cleanup, retraining clients on new portals and payment workflows, and what it actually costs when a tech spends two to three hours a day fixing issues instead of working tickets or projects. Why Listen Understand why switching your RMM/PSA stack can easily cost a smaller MSP tens of thousands of dollars once you factor in labor, cleanup, and confusion. Hear a real‑world breakdown of migrations from LabTech to Continuum to Ninja, from ConnectWise to Halo PSA, and from IT Glue to Hudu, including what actually hurt and what paid off. Learn practical questions to ask vendors about data ownership, export paths, and how your history, documentation, and tickets will (or won’t) move over. See how client‑facing changes like portals, payment processors, remote access tools, and security awareness training can disrupt users and generate extra support load. Chapters 00:41 Conference Season Insights 03:07 Housekeeping and Personal Experiences 04:13 Horror Stories of Changing Stacks 08:15 Reasons for Changing Tools 11:32 Data Ownership and Documentation 15:25 Client Facing Disruption 17:35 The High Cost of Switching 20:17 Hidden Costs of Cheap Tools 29:22 All-in-One Solutions Considered 32:48 Evaluating New Tools and Integrations 39:15 Reflections on Past Experiences 40:13 Summary of Hidden Costs 47:09 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Guest: Tom Wyant, Wyant Technologies: Website: https://www.gowyant.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomaswyant Shout-outs Arnie Bellini: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arniebellini/ David Bellin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bellinidavid/ Companies / Vendors / Products Mentioned MSP Vendor Lock-In: Switching Costs Hit $325K: https://linkly.link/2hhSA N‑able: https://www.n-able.com ConnectWise: https://www.connectwise.com Halo / HaloPSA: https://www.halopsa.com Ninja / NinjaOne: https://www.ninjaone.com IT Glue: https://www.itglue.com Hudu: https://hudu.com CloudRadial: https://www.cloudradial.com Benji Pays: https://www.benjipays.com Defendify: https://www.defendify.com CyberFOX (AutoElevate): https://www.cyberfox.com Huntress: https://www.huntress.com Synchro (SyncroMSP): https://syncromsp.com SuperOps: https://superops.ai Kaseya: https://www.kaseya.com Datto: https://www.datto.com Microsoft 365: https://www.microsoft.com/microsoft-365 SonicWall: https://www.sonicwall.com Nagios: https://www.nagios.org Narmada: https://narmada.cloud R-Hub (remote access / meeting appliance):https://www.rhubcom.com === SPONSORS: Livestream Partner, ThreatLocker: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/threatlocker Technology Partner, NetAlly: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/netally/ Technology Partner: Bvoip: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/bvoip Travel Partner: TruGrid: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/trugrid Digital Partner, Designer Ready: http://itbusinesspodcast.com/designerready === SHOW MUSIC: Item Title: Upbeat & Fun Sports Rock Logo Item URL: https://elements.envato.com/upbeat-fun-sports-rock-logo-CSR3UET Author Username: AlexanderRufire Item License Code: 7X9F52DNML === Connect with Uncle Marv🌐 Website: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/🎙 Host: Marvin Bee🛒 Uncle Marv’s Amazon Store (gear & tools I recommend): https://amzn.to/3EiyKoZ☕ Support the show: https://ko-fi.com/itbusinesspodcastIf you found value in this episode, share it with another MSP, IT provider, or tech entrepreneur. Your support helps keep practical, no-nonsense IT business conversations coming every week.

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