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Chapter 1: Who was Joe Sedelmaier and why is he significant in advertising?
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When I landed my first big-time job as a writer at an advertising agency, I quickly realized there was a definite pecking order. The senior creative people get to do most of the television commercials. Meanwhile, the creative people at the bottom of the ladder, like me, were given low-level print ads, coupons, and the odd radio campaign.
But a few months after I joined the ad agency, there was a big television assignment for Fiberglass Pink Home Insulation. It was one of our biggest clients, and Fiberglass only did one television commercial a year, so it was important. The senior creative people were struggling to come up with an idea the creative director liked, and the deadline was fast approaching.
So, one day, I asked the creative director if I could take a swing at it. He stared at me for a moment, then said, I want to see ideas by 10 a.m. tomorrow. The next morning at 10 a.m. sharp, we all went into the boardroom, and the senior people presented their latest fiberglass commercial ideas. The creative director didn't like any of them.
Then I swallowed hard, stuck my hand up feebly, and croaked out my idea. When I finished, there was a long pause. Then the creative director said, "'I like it,' which shocked me down to my socks." The client ended up liking it too, and before you know it, my little idea was shot by a famous director out of Chicago. In the ad, a couple saves enough to buy an absurdly small cottage.
The title of the commercial was Edna.
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Chapter 2: What unique casting techniques did Joe Sedelmaier use in his commercials?
When it came time to hand out the gold award for the best television commercial of the year, the presenter said, the gold award goes to Fiberglass Pink for the commercial titled Edna. I couldn't believe my ears. I also couldn't go up to accept the award because, as you know, I was stuck in the back row of the balcony. It was still thrilling. But here's what you need to know.
The commercial may have been my idea, but the reason that ad won the gold award was because of that famous director. His name was Joe Settlemyer, and there's never been anybody like him. Joe Settlemyer was one of the greatest commercial directors of all time. His work was so distinct, it may have been the only identifiable style in the history of TV commercials. Joe was a character.
He demanded total control, insisted on very specific casting, and he once kicked me off the set of my own commercial. Recently, Joe Settlemyer passed away at the age of 92. His work is legendary, and so was the man.
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Joe Settlemyer Jr. was born in Oroville, Ohio, in 1933. He came to Chicago in 1950 as an aspiring cartoonist. He earned a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago in 1955. When he graduated, he got a job as an art director at several ad agencies, including Young & Rubicam and J. Walter Thompson.
And it was at Thompson that Settlemyer got his first taste of directing. One day, the creative director asked Settlemyer if he would like to take a shot at directing a commercial for Chun King Foods. So, Joe filmed a demo commercial using people from the ad agency, not actors. When the ad was shown to the president of Chun King, he loved it and wanted to air the demo as is.
That was the start of Joe Settlemyer's directing career. The big difference between Joe's commercials and all other commercials was the fact he never used actors. Joe Settlebyer used real people he would spot on the street. His performers were schoolteachers, retired actuaries, and typewriter repairmen. Joe looked for character. In a 30-second commercial, there is no time to build character.
It has to be there already. And those were the faces and voices Joe searched for. Settlemyer hated the plastic people you always see in commercials. He was often accused of casting, quote, ugly people, which he took offense to. In Joe's eyes, these were regular people, the kind of people you would see at supermarkets, airports, and malls. They weren't a freak show.
To Joe Settlemyer, the beautiful Hollywood people were the freaks. Joe had a very specific point of view when it came to humor. For one thing, he had no time for funny lines, which may sound odd for a director famous for comedy, but Joe felt that casting and the situations created the humor.
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Chapter 3: How did Joe Sedelmaier's style differ from traditional commercial directors?
He also told me one time that if you put people into an absurd situation, they will struggle to maintain their dignity. And that, to Joe, was always funny. Because Joe only cast regular people, they didn't come with a bag of acting tricks. That usually meant Joe had to spend twice the amount of time trying to get the best performance out of them. The way he did that was with line readings.
In other words, Joe would recite the exact line to them and ask them to parrot it back. A professional actor would have stormed off the set, but Joe wasn't working with experienced actors. His performers were all amateurs, and all had a similar feel when they delivered their lines. They were stiff and nervous. And Joe captured that nervous stiffness on camera. It was his secret sauce.
Joe's commercials won every possible award in the advertising industry. He literally won hundreds and hundreds of trophies. I remember standing in his lobby one day when a courier came in to deliver a package. He looked around at all the awards on the walls and said, So you guys make trophies here? The commercial that put Joe Settlemyer on the map was for Southern Airways in 1975.
In the commercial, a man flying on a rival airline enters a plane. The first-class passengers are having a party, eating lobster and cracking open champagne bottles. The man can't believe his luck. Then a flight attendant looks at his ticket.
Second cabin, please.
When the man walks past the curtain separating first class from economy, he can't believe what he sees. It looks like steerage. There are no seats. Sad people dressed in peasant clothes are sitting on the floor. A live chicken walks by, and he is offered gruel from a bucket.
Southern Airways believes that no man should be subjected to the indignity of being labeled or treated like a second-class citizen. Which is why, when you get on a Southern jet... Hi, Mr. Gill.
Sit anywhere you like.
You'll find no curtain separates the peasants from the nobility. No one takes the legroom from you and gives it to someone else.
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Chapter 4: What was the impact of the 'Where's the beef?' campaign on Wendy's?
Many airlines offer reduced rate fares. Unfortunately, that's not all they've reduced. It makes you wonder, what's next?
When a man gets up to go to the washroom, he discovers the airplane has pay toilets. The sign on the door says, 50 cents, exact change only. He looks in his wallet and only has bills. As he hops from foot to foot crossing his legs, he starts a desperate search for change.
I'd appreciate it. Do you have four quarters for a dollar? Anybody have two quarters for a dollar? Yes, miss, do you have two quarters for two dollars? Two quarters for five dollars, please. Oh, boy, I'd appreciate it. On Alaska Airlines, we have low fares, too, but you'd never know it by the way we treat you.
It was classic Settlemyer. Again, a slightly absurd situation, but not so absurd that you couldn't relate to the fact that airlines charge you for almost everything these days. Another classic Settlemyer commercial was for Kay Jewelers. In this ad, a young man in his first day on the job at a jewelry store is being taught a lesson about markups.
I think I understand. New man, buy the diamond at $200, mark it up to $3,000, and discount it to $2,000. Correct.
An $1,800 profit.
That's a business. So when you mark it up, you're so far up that when you come down, you're still up. Up. Up, correct. That's the business. Why not mark it up to $4,000?
Ethics. At Kay Jewelers, we guarantee the honest value of your diamond for a lifetime. In writing, when you do business at Kay, we don't give you the business. Again, great casting, great voices, and an insight you can't argue with. When we come back, Settlemyer puts FedEx on the map.
If you're enjoying this episode, you might also like Only in Advertising, stories from the front line from our 2022 season. We tell the story of two competing beer companies who chose to shoot their commercials in another country for secrecy, then ended up shooting on the same beach on the same day in Australia. Hilarious. You'll find it on your favorite podcast app.
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Chapter 5: What memorable stories highlight Joe Sedelmaier's directing style?
When an ad agency met with Joe to discuss a potential commercial, he charged $10,000 for the meeting. If Joe liked the idea, that $10,000 would be applied to the cost of the shoot. If Joe didn't like the idea, the $10,000 was non-refundable. It was an interesting strategy. Settlemyer charged big cash for the first meeting because it was a way to keep cowardly, boring clients away.
See, Joe Settlemyer had a violent allergy to stupid, boring advertising where everyone's smiling and saying things about a product that no sane person would ever utter in a million years. Settlemyer's early commercials for Federal Express were legendary. A journalist once said that Settlemyer was as important to FedEx as its trucks and planes.
Here's the most famous of the many FedEx commercials Settlemyer directed. Joe cast John Machida Jr., the world's fastest talking man. In this commercial, Machida plays an absurdly busy executive. We see him on the phone. We see him interviewing someone. We see him taking a meeting.
Okay, Eunice, travel plans. I need to be in New York on Monday, L.A. on Tuesday, New York on Wednesday, L.A. on Thursday, New York on Friday. Got it? Got it. Got it. So you want to work here. What really makes you think you deserve a job here? Well, sir, I think on my feet, I'm good at figures and I have a sharp mind. Excellent. Can you start on Monday? Yes, sir, absolutely, without hesitation.
Congratulations. Welcome aboard. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. And in conclusion, Jim, Bill, Bob, Carl, Fred, Lowe, Dork, Ava, and Ted, business is business. And as we all know, in order to get something done, you've got to do something. In order to do something, we've got to get to work. So let's get to work. Thank you for taking the meeting.
Peter, you did a bang-up job on putting you in charge of Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's perfect. I know it's perfect, There's a Mr. Schnitler here to see you. I'm going to wait 15 seconds.
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Chapter 6: How did Joe Sedelmaier revolutionize the use of humor in commercials?
Can you wait 15 seconds? I'll wait 15 seconds. Congratulations on your deal in Denver, Dave. I'm putting you down to deal with Dallas. Don, is it a deal? Do we have a deal? It's a deal. I got to go. I got a call coming in. Hi, Doc. Just dealt with Don.
In this fast-moving, high-pressure, get-it-done-yesterday world, aren't you glad there's one company that can keep up with it all? As the commercial ends, a FedEx package arrives on his desk right on time. Again, notice there are no funny lines. The humor isn't in the fast-talking man. It's in everybody else trying to keep up with the fast-talking man.
In the ad world, television commercials are first drawn out on storyboards, shot by shot. Joe hated storyboards. He believed commercials evolve and change through the process, and storyboards were too static. Joe was not only the director, he was the cameraman too, extremely rare in the ad biz. He also edited the commercial, chose the music and directed the voiceover.
In other words, he controlled the entire process from that first meeting to the finished commercial. But even within that demand for total control, he was open to happy accidents, which resulted in maybe his most famous commercial of all. One day, Settlemyer was shooting a commercial that took place in a barber shop.
A man was sitting in the barber chair, and Joe decided it would be funny to have a manicurist working on his hands. Except, he hadn't cast a manicurist. But across the street was a lady's hair salon. So Joe sent an assistant over to see if one of the hairdressers could play the part. The assistant came back with a tiny older lady named Clara Peller.
When she was introduced to Joe, she said, How you doing, honey? Settlemyer could not believe that big voice came out of that tiny little lady. While Clara didn't have a speaking part in this ad, Joe knew he had to find another commercial to put her in. That commercial would turn out to be for Wendy's. The commercial was titled Fluffy Bun.
The idea was to have three older ladies ordering at a rival restaurant and being presented with a hamburger inside a ridiculously gigantic bun. Settlemyer thought the gigantic bun was trying too hard to be funny. So he made the bun just slightly bigger than normal, but he made the patty the size of a toonie. Then he cast Clara Peller.
It certainly is a big bun. It's a very big bun.
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Chapter 7: What was Joe Sedelmaier's approach to creative control in advertising?
Big fluffy bun. It's a very big fluffy bun. Where's the beef?
Some hamburger places give you a lot less beef on a lot of bun. Where's the beef? At Wendy's, we serve a hamburger we modestly call the single. And Wendy's single has more beef than the Whopper or Big Mac. At Wendy's, you get more beef and less bum. Hey, where's the beef? I don't think there's anybody back there. You want something better. You're Wendy's kind of people.
Where's the beef is not a funny line. Until Clara Peller says it. Interestingly, the original line was, Where's all the beef? But Clara had emphysema and had trouble getting through the line. So Settlemyer shortened it to, Where's the beef? Tiny change, big impact. That commercial was said to have increased Wendy's revenue 31% in 1984. It became a cultural phenomenon.
How do you know when a commercial becomes a cultural phenomenon? When a presidential candidate quotes it in a televised primary debate, here's Walter Mondale criticizing rival Gary Hart.
When I hear your new ideas, I'm reminded of that ad. Where's the beef?
That line is still quoted to this day over 40 years later. When we come back, Settlemyer kicks me off the set of my own commercial. At the beginning of this episode, I was telling you that Joe Settlemyer directed the first big award-winning television commercial I ever did.
I produced several other fiberglass pink commercials with him, and there's a very funny behind-the-scenes story about one of those ads. We were shooting the commercial in Chicago. The idea was that a couple saved enough money by insulating with fiberglass pink that they could buy a small, absurdly small, swimming pool. Then they filled the pool with every single one of their friends.
You couldn't squeeze one more body into it. A hilarious visual. We're asking Canadians why they're choosing new fiberglass pink home insulation.
Firstly, we saved enough to help us buy this lovely, lovely new swimming pool, which we can also share with a few of our closest friends. Secondly, because pink passes the test.
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Chapter 8: What legacy did Joe Sedelmaier leave in the advertising industry?
In hindsight. But it doesn't end there. The argument continued throughout the entire shoot. The CBC crew would occasionally look over, smiles and waves. Then, back to whispering with flared nostrils. The argument between the art director and the creative director continued in the airport the next day, this time at full volume. Airport security did a slow walk by us.
It continued on the plane on the way back to Toronto. When we got back, our art director quit or was fired. It was hard to tell which came first. Then the next day, he picked up the phone, called the journal, and let them in on the whole mess.
That created DEFCON 4 panic at our ad agency because we knew if the CBC added the fighting and firing to the story, we would probably lose the fiberglass account because it would just be too embarrassing. our creative director called the journal asking if we could see the segment before it aired. He was told we would see it when the rest of Canada sees it.
So on the appointed night when the journal was to air the fiberglass segment, we all gathered in a rented hotel suite to watch our agency lose our biggest client on national television. We all stood there in front of the TV, drinks in hand, like we were at a wake. Then the journal came on, and the segment wasn't there. Instead, they aired a story about plus-size people doing yoga.
Our segment had been bumped to the following week. Picture the moment. Our entire agency standing in a hotel suite in silence, watching people doing yoga. Comedy gold. When it finally did air the following week, to our shock and amazement, the journal didn't touch one scintilla of the whole firing fiasco. They completely ignored it. Instead, they built the entire segment around Joe Settlemyer.
Our commercial was just a footnote.
Making commercials people actually enjoy watching is hard. Making one that gets them to buy is a fine art. The journal Susan Harada found out how one master does it.
Settlemyer's story was better than our banishment from the set fighting on the airplane fired over the commercial story. That's how interesting Joe Settlemyer was. Joe Settlemyer was my favorite commercial director. And even though he did kick us off the set once, I liked working with Joe. On shoot day, he didn't want annoying interference. I could appreciate that. Let the man do his job.
And he always delivered. He once said, I don't like to get chummy with anyone. It makes you bend. I can attest, he was not chummy. But Joe was an astonishing commercial director. His work was so distinct, so singular, so watchable. He was a one-man genre. When he was inducted into the Advertising Hall of Fame, they called Joe a craftsman in a world of salesmen.
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