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Chapter 1: What personal experiences shaped Sam Troth's journey?
This is a tough one, Fano. One of the hardest conversations I've ever had, but it's an important one. Just sat down, had a powerful conversation with the man behind the road to healing Aotearoa, Sam. I mean, this guy has walked the length of our country. Then, you know, after having this conversation with him, I know exactly what's driving him.
I remember thinking fucking like with what I've been through and all the bullshit. And if you can go through that and you're still here now, then this is just literally a walk like just one foot in front of the other.
is to raise awareness around sexual abuse. This incident that happened to him from 9 to 13 from this coward, it derailed his life and sent him on this crazy journey. Interstate care as a kid, only to be abused some more, into prisons, meth addiction. And I'm just thinking, fuck.
Why did nobody ask? How did nobody know what was happening? And that broke me.
Look, it's a, it's a must watch.
The best thing I ever did, man, was reach out for help, was reach out for professional help, was, you know, to tell the people around me that I loved, that I was fucking struggling and I was overwhelmed with the support that I got.
For people going through something now, for people who have gone through it, for parents, we must watch this. We must share it far and wide because it's an important conversation that must be heard. Unfiltered is produced by the team at Fanaticals and we are part of the ACAST network. Sam, how's it going my brother? Good my bro, thanks for having me here brother.
Man, it's been a while in the making this podcast. I had a look back at our Instagram messages and jeez, they go right back to 2022, like four years ago.
Yeah bro, yeah, yeah, I first reached out to you when I first did my first walk bro. And I remember you sharing some of my content and supporting and yeah, it's been a while to get to this point, but it's good to be here bro.
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Chapter 2: How did Sam Troth turn his trauma into advocacy?
Yeah. Where did you grow up? Hamilton. Hamilton. Yeah. Yeah.
So it was a pretty good upbringing. We weren't a well-off family or anything, but we did all right. Pretty good upbringing up until my whole life just took a dark turn. So I guess starting at the start, bro, you know, I was sexually abused from the ages of 9 to 13 by a co-worker of my father's.
this man saw that my father and my mum were having some marital issues and some issues and he come in as predators do, bro, and saw an opening and groomed my parents and then was able to sort of, you know, spend time with me and, you know, all the typical things, gifts, you know, used to take me motorbike riding, shooting, all of those things and just slowly over time,
um things escalated and and and his uh his sort of his I guess his um his true intentions shown through and he started um doing things to me and yeah 9 to 13 yeah so how did you get through it I don't it's a good question like Afterwards, drugs, violence, antisocial behaviour.
During the abuse, you know, like I said, there was elements of enjoyment in these weekends that I would spend or when I went there for the school holidays. And then there was moments of trauma, you know, so...
Focusing on those other activities that we were doing would have been helping I guess now looking back and then just trying to basically survive through that period of time and then go back to home which was safe.
I can see why you put yourself through.
I mean, that's not, it's not easy. The stuff that you do to raise awareness, walking the length and walking the width of the country, you know, but I, I can see why, why it's so important to you. Yeah, bro. Yeah.
I, um, I just, when I started, when I, when I, when I started working on myself, which was about 2019, really, really trying to work on myself. Um, And I started getting help, and then I started looking into the issue of sexual violence. It became bigger than me. So what is this in totality? What does this look like in our community? And the statistics just blew my fucking mind.
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Chapter 3: What are the statistics on sexual violence in New Zealand?
He was caught doing it here again and did a short term of imprisonment and then he was caught doing it again and now he's serving preventative detention. So he's got to serve 15 years without parole before he's eligible for release. So I haven't personally laid charges against him and I will be pressing charges when he gets released so that he doesn't get released back into the community.
He'll go back onto remand and that's something that we've come up with when I spoke to the police a few years ago about it. That was the plan we came up with because otherwise if we push charges now, it'll just be concurrent to a sentence he's already serving. So to get the maximum benefit, we're going to hold off.
You know, you were talking, you know, your life was, it was normal, it was a good upbringing. You didn't have much, but you, you know, life was normal. Yep. Until that point. Yep. You know, you see these movies of different universes, you know, the parallel thing, you know. And it's like you were headed on this one direction and it's just a total detour, right? Yeah, bro.
What ended up, where did your life end up? So sort of my main, to start with, my outlet was violence and disruption and disruptive behavior. So school was off the cards real quick as soon as the abuse, as soon as my abuser had gone, I really acted out.
And so quite quickly ended up in child youth family custody, boys homes, family homes, and then secure unit in Wellington and in another youth facility in Auckland called Youth Link and spent most of sort of between 14 and 16 in those places.
further abused by the state um what recently with our royal commission of inquiry into faith and state-based care the un declared that the use of self self-containment of children or secure blocking away children was was a form of torture Um, and it happened to pretty much every person that went into residential care.
I spent nine days in cell confinement, um, before I was put in with the other children. And then, um, you know, basically it's like the Lord of the flies. You get put in your place, get beaten up, bullied. You figure out where you go in the, in the, in the herd. And then, um, before too long, you're the one doing the bullying as well. So it's an ugly, vicious cycle in, in state care.
So how long ago was this part?
so I'm 43 now bro so we're talking the late 90s yeah and you spent the first nine days so basically in solitary confinement yeah yeah bro shit myself pissed myself cried and screamed at the door till my voice was gone and they tell you that they're putting you in there to break you and they do break you and then once you're broken they put you in with the kids and then the kids break you some more and then you toe the fucking line
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Chapter 4: What challenges did Sam face during his recovery process?
What would have happened if you didn't conform?
You'd just be the person that's always getting beaten up and bullied if you don't join in.
It's just crazy.
So, I mean, that's just making you worse. It's not healing nothing.
No. And, I mean, this is like one of the most frustrating or one of the things that stands out to me the most through my time in youth justice was no one ever sat me down and asked what was actually wrong. You know, I had a child, youth and family or SIFS appointed social worker. She never asked me, bro. What's going on? For all she knew, it could have been my dad could have been beating me.
My mom could have been beating me. They could have been sexually abusing me. Maybe some of my siblings were sexually abusing me. My parents could have been fucking cooking drugs. They didn't ask any of these questions. What's going on for you? No one asked that. Not one time, bro. Here you go, this kid who from the outside looking in looks like he's had a normal average upbringing.
There's no sort of red flags or anything. And he's exhibiting this kind of behavior, extreme behavior. And he's ended up with, you know, in care. Why are you here, mate? What's wrong? Like, would be pretty fucking common sense questions to ask. But no one does, bro. No one did. And I remember... Um, fuck, just wanting someone to ask me, bro. You know, I didn't have the strength or the courage.
I was ashamed, embarrassed. Um, but if someone had just said the simple, asked me the simple question, man, fuck, I would have said yes. I would have answered yes straight away, but you know, it was never asked. So I acted out more, my behavior became more extreme as a cry for help, wanting someone to ask.
How long did you spend in there? When did you get out?
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Chapter 5: How does Sam's story highlight the need for reform in sexual violence laws?
So Rangipo prison at 16 and you do the pruning the pine trees and PT in the morning and 12K run on the weekend and all that sort of stuff. Did a sentence of that. And then, um,
At 17, got sentenced to three years in prison for car theft, of all things, which is, again, another frustrating thing when I'm advocating now for sexual violence and stronger sentencing and stuff, and I see people that are getting seven months home detention for sexual violation of a child. And I got three years in prison. And as a kid, myself, for stealing cars, it's a huge injustice.
But I went to prison six times. And next year, in December, it'll be 20 years that I haven't been back to prison or broken the law.
What were your parents thinking when this was all happening, bro? Like, I don't know. I wish they'd asked.
um yeah i wish that asked you know um when i look back i just got all my photos my police and my corrections photos and i'm looking at the rest photos from when i was 14 years old and i'm just thinking Why did nobody ask?
How did nobody know what was happening? You know, and I look back at other family photos, and I'm just this like 11, 10, 11, 12-year-old kid. These massive rings around my eyes, pale, just clearly pale.
Not well. Yeah. They were preoccupied, I guess, you know, later on now after speaking with my dad and getting some closure and some clarity. You know, they had a lot of stuff going on themselves that we didn't know. And they did really well at keeping adult stuff between them and letting us kids know what we needed to know. I guess which was good because, you know, I never heard them argue.
I never was exposed to any drama, but they were going through a lot. You know, they were, I guess, doing the best with the tools they had at the time, bro. Mum and dad still together?
Nah.
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Chapter 6: What strategies did Sam use to overcome addiction?
And he'd been, he was in Rangipo. So I actually knew him from him doing our services on a Sunday in corrective training. And he was coming into our unit and seeing someone else and he saw that I was there and so he put in a special visit for me, you know, cool, I'll go see old Short, see what he's up to. And he said to me that he knew that I wasn't meant to be there and
He said that he felt that there was something I needed to talk about and, you know, and I said, yeah, yeah, fuck, you know, I was sexually abused, you know, and this and that. And he sort of just encouraged me to address it and to tell my family. So when I got out, I sort of, with that motivation of him telling me that I needed to do something about it, I asked for a family meeting and...
For whatever reason, my mum couldn't come down and my other sister couldn't make it. So I remember anyway, I was staying with my sister at the time I'd been released to her house. So she'd come home and she said, what did you actually want to talk to everyone about anyway? And so I just blurted it out to her. And I remember she just dropped to her knees, screaming, crying, hugging me.
Just a real, real emotional.
She was just in shock. And then told my parents. She told my mum. And my mum come down from Auckland and we had a moment, a nice moment, you know, where, you know, where things were said and
And, you know, I can't really remember the exact context, but, you know, I do remember her coming down and acknowledging and holding space for me, you know, to the best capacity that she was able to sort of thing. It was a big relief for me because it gave everyone an explanation and
as to why I was behaving the way I was, why I was in addiction, why I was all of these things, um, was because of what had happened, you know? So it explained, gave everyone a lot more clarity about, about Sam.
What did your dad say, you know, even have been his work colleague, you know?
Um, we've only spoken a few words up until recently. Um, I know it's really hard for him. He probably carries a lot of blame and shame himself. When I walked the country in 2022, I wrote him a letter first the year before. But I didn't actually end up giving it to him. And then when I walked the country, I started emailing him. Face-to-face conversation. I can't without emotions taken over.
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Chapter 7: How can parents effectively talk to children about body safety?
It destroys relationships. It fucks everything. And in my situation, my perpetrator was external to our family and sadly two-thirds of the time perpetrators of child sexual abuse, they are part of the family. So, you know, when you look at how difficult and how much of an effect and how sort of shattered
these fundamentals of my family from this, then you can only imagine how much worse it becomes when these perpetrators are a part of the family. It's, yeah, it's a huge, huge issue, bro. How bad did your spiral into addiction get? I was addicted to meth for about 15 years, bro. I've been clean for about six.
My sister and one of my best mates down that same meth addiction path too.
It's fucking horrible.
How bad did it get for you? Yeah, pretty bad, bro. Daily user. You know, needed sort of half a gram a day. Had to have it to get up to go to work.
That's what my mate says. He wasn't using – he ended up not using meth for the enjoyment of it. It was to work. Yeah, bro. Just to keep going.
Yeah. And – scary thing about it man is you have someone and nothing else fucking matters you know like your world can be falling apart and and you get high and you're fixing your car or you're helping your mate fucking mowers lawns you know what i mean you're you're away and then When you come down, everything's a thousand times worse.
So I suffer, I still suffer probably once or twice a week from night terrors or flashbacks or, you know, I'll have these dreams of what used to happen to me. When I'd use gear, I wouldn't dream, I wouldn't have these dreams, so it was really good. But then when I ran out and tried to, you know, like win a day or two without any, holy shit, man, the dreams would be absolutely out of control.
Um, so I'd use again to try and stop that from happening, you know? Um, so when I did stop using and I reached out and started, um, seeing a psychologist and that, and I seen a psychologist for two and a half years weekly. Um, she gave me some good tools on, on how to re-script my dreams and stuff like that and some better coping mechanisms, um, to use and, um, which helped a lot. But, um,
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Chapter 8: What is the ultimate goal of Sam's advocacy work?
So it's been a long journey. So 2019 was my breaking point, and I'd started using again by my partner's back and by my wife's back. And I was at the point of I didn't want to be anymore, Dave. I couldn't get rid of the bad dreams. I couldn't get rid of the triggers. So people talk about triggers, and it's quite an overused buzzword, I feel. But for me, bro, it's smells, sights, things like that.
So I can smell something, bro, and that puts me straight back in that place. And so – For me, bro, it was just too much. I work in construction. And just the particular site that I was on at the time, I was in that smell. That smell was, I could always smell it. And the smell is like as structural steel as the smell of welding, as the smell of grinding, as the smell of steel.
And things got so bad, bro, that I didn't want to be anymore. And I actually sat my wife down and I told her that I was going to tap out. And she asked me to try and get some actual help. And so I told her that I'd been using again and stuff and she already knew. She's not a fucking idiot.
And so I went to a mate's farm for a few months and got my shit together and then came back to the family unit and started therapy every week and reached out to ACC and started that process of seeing a psychologist and getting a diagnosis for complex post-traumatic stress disorder and things like that.
What are the tools that they –
they showed you to use bro you know for others that are watching this going through um so like big one big part of it is is talking is working through it and sitting with those feelings um going back and and sort of not reliving it but actually feeling it because in those moments of when it's happening you know it's you're in a trauma response.
So you don't, that's why it becomes trauma because you don't have a chance to process it and then it stores up. So it's actually going back and sitting with that shit, acknowledging it and moving it on, you know, um, things like that. Um, Exercise, believe it or not. Well, you would believe it. You would definitely believe it. Yeah, exercise, bro. Outside of working.
So I always used to thought that I was like active because I worked, you know, work on my hands every day. But it's a lot different than actually going for a walk, an intentional walk and nature and things like that, bro. Yeah, just simple stuff.
and then just helped me navigate, okay, so, you know, like let's look at what happened and then looking at, okay, so where are you at with your relationship with your parents or where are you at with this or where needs attention, you know?
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