Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is an unspoiled network podcast. This is unspoiled. Covering the Dresden Files. Book 18. 12 months. Chapters 37 and 38. And perhaps a little I'm afraid for 39. A word? In this section, we've got some protesters showing up and Harry stoutly defending their right to say it and also serving hot cocoa, which I can't help but approve of.
And then we have an experiment with Lara to which she has a strange reaction. Welcome to unspoiled.
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What are you giggling about? Just the weirdness of the chapter, the way the chapter ends, and the way you're just like, you know, she had a strange reaction to it. She had a very, very...
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Chapter 2: What are the main themes of Chapters 37 and 38?
stark reaction and went running away. Like she saw a two headed monster, which granted in the supernatural world, it's probably not even that like a weird to see something with two heads, but you know what I mean?
That's true. She saw a two headed monster. She'd be like, yawn Tuesday. What can you do? But yeah, so what did you think? Well, you know what? Let's start from the beginning and ask when the opening sentence, the first protester showed up at the castle Tuesday morning, what was your reaction to this?
To this, just the line or this? Yeah. The line? I was like, who's protesting the castle?
Chapter 3: How do the characters react to the protesters in the castle?
And then it didn't take very long for me to be like, oh, I wonder if like, Because of everything that kind of blew up in the last chapter, I'm wondering if this is like now taking on a sort of take our neighborhood back, which is kind of like, you know, what's going on with these messages on their poster boards.
And it's, you know, it's weird because where we're at now currently politically in the world, you know, I don't think what's necessarily happening in the book, but I can't help but think of protesters outside of Planned Parenthood clinics and Westboro Baptist Church and those types of protesting. But it's a little unnerving that the...
that the castle has been sort of pinpointed as the epicenter and this is where we go to protest our the entire occult that we don't like because we know where to go to protest that's a good point is like he is the fucking in the crosshairs for this whole all of their what do they call that he calls himself chief weirdo or something like that yep
So that's a little unnerving, but I find myself being, I know that they're kind of assholes and like fuck Carl from the last podcast or whatever episode that was, but I still find myself being a little empathetic for these people who are just really, really scared. Yeah. And I'm torn because I know that Fear can make people do very, very ugly things.
And they can justify it by saying, you know, we're just trying to protect ourselves. And their fear can be groundless. It can be based in stereotypes and, you know, all kinds of things. So it's like a really fine line with me trying to be like, I get it. They're freaked out. They saw some incredible shit. They just want their lives back. They just want normalcy back.
And being like, but how quickly that turns ugly. How quickly that turns into us and them.
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Chapter 4: What experiment does Harry conduct with Lara?
And then how we are able to dehumanize them and that excuses our treatment of them. And it happens so quickly. Yeah. So while I appreciate Harry being like, they're within their rights. We're not going to call the cops. They're not even on our property.
As a matter of fact, we're going to try to meet them with hot cocoa and, and warming devices for the gloves, which those things are fucking clutch. Yeah. It was very nice of him. Um, you know what I mean though?
Like it's just, it's a fine line. Well, this is the exact thing I think is that he knows they are reacting out of fear. And so he is trying to not do that himself.
Um,
You know what I'm saying? Because everything you're talking about is a legitimate concern, but it hasn't happened yet. And reacting in fear. as if it is already happening, can be self-fulfilling sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know?
Definitely escalates.
Yeah. And it'll just move that train even faster. And, like, everybody around him is like, you want us to take care of this? And I'm over here like, kinda.
I mean, like, I would just tell them to maybe move along.
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Chapter 5: What significant realizations does Harry have about his actions?
You know? Stop drawing so much attention to where we are. I think you're right. I think Harry's reaction and his way of handling it is probably the smart play. But I don't like them outside. Especially now that Maggie is here, even though she's, you know, she's here on the weekends because she goes to the boarding school, right? Yeah. So she's home on the weekends. But still, Maggie's here now.
Y'all gonna have to move along. Take this up the street.
Y'all gonna have to move along is fair. And that's like kind of the, is it Basil? I think who comes up and is like, would you like us to shepherd them away? I think is the wording he uses. Yeah, here it is. Shall we shepherd them away? And he says, they're not doing anything violent. If they aren't, you know, offering harm, we're going to play it cool.
Yeah. I love Harry asks Basil, he's like, you can sense malice, can't you? And malevolence, right? And Basil's like, yeah. And Harry goes, do you sense any of it here right now? And he leans in and first he says, humans are always a muddle. We're hard to read, especially in groups, which is really, really actually very good because we do behave differently when we're in groups.
We're like very pack oriented and we tend to follow the herd even more.
eat sheeple oh my god you know what i mean but we kind of are we do do we act as if that's such a bad thing but it's a fucking survival thing also so you know but um there's a lot of stuff out there man that's like actually quite neutral but just has this baggage around it that you can't say it without people like getting offended and it's oh it's quite frustrating when you're just trying to communicate without it like bringing any of that to the table yeah
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Chapter 6: How does Harry's relationship with Lara evolve in this episode?
Well, language is, you know, reflective of our values and our actions and, you know, bad behavior can ruin a word. The innocent word can just be taken down the gutter. you know, by who uses it and how they use it. You know, meanwhile, the word is like, I was just out here existing. I wasn't bothering nobody. I was just a word that meant a thing.
It's wild how quick it happens to where there's like a word that otherwise I've liked. And then suddenly it gets co-opted. And I see the word in somebody's profile or in a comment. And now it's a red flag. It's a single word. And now I'm just like, Ooh, you said such and such. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It's like, I mean, the easiest low-hanging fruit is like woke. Of course. But maybe Basil says what he senses primarily from this group of protesters is fear, that they are afraid. Yeah. Which is, as we mentioned, is dangerous, but not on its own, maybe. Maybe. Like, fear is okay, and it's a response usually to external stimuli that makes, you know, survival.
But it's what you can use somebody's fear to accomplish, how you can manipulate people through their fear. Yeah. That is so dangerous. So there's nothing wrong with being afraid, but it's the vulnerability of being afraid that's dangerous.
Yeah.
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Chapter 7: What role does Mab play in Harry's decisions?
And the way that Harry is approaching this, like, he's very philosophical about it with, okay, everybody had been just trying to survive. And now we can focus on other shit, because we've got food back, and we've got, you know, heat back. So of course, they're going to need something to put this energy they've been holding on to towards. And
That they're doing something about how they're feeling. And that is actually a healthy thing.
Yeah.
And a good thing. Just as long as they don't take it too far, which is, of course, always the asterisk.
But I love that's included the the. because that's what would happen, right? This is a city that's going on about a year now since, or coming up on a year since the big, you know, battle. And first there's survival mode, and you don't have any time to think about anything except what's right in front of your face. Where are you going to sleep tonight? What are you going to eat tomorrow?
How are you going to keep your kids safe? Whatever it might be. And now once we get a little bit of wiggle room, we can start having bigger conversations and thinking our thinking is able to expand. We're not so narrowly focused on the basics, which is what we do in real life too, right? Absolutely. We think about history when the more advanced we become, then the less like,
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Chapter 8: How does the conversation about morality and choices unfold?
The better our needs are met, the more we can then start thinking about other things. And we start to imagine a different way of living. And patents and inventions start flying off the shelves and all that shit. Because we're not having to hunt our own food every day. Yeah.
Yep. Yeah. I really appreciate the compassion that he brings to this conversation. Because it's so... it would be so easy to completely panic. And I think I might, after seeing what was happening, like with people that I had otherwise trusted that were actually out here, like harming folks. And I had no idea. I, I might, I might react too much, you know, I'll, I'll be honest here.
It's not an overreaction, but a too much reaction.
It's a too much. And I am a too much. That happens sometimes. But I just hope to be this type of person in the future who is just able to keep the bigger picture in mind. And be a little more generous. That's a tall ask. It is. It really is. I mean, I'm not there. Exactly. I'm not there. That's basically what I'm saying. I would like to. It's not always going to work out.
But that's part of it for me as well. It's sort of like the idea of somebody on the street seems to be in trouble and needs money. And it would be a very common response from a lot of people to just be like, they're full of shit. And maybe they are. but I am being presented with somebody who is seemingly in distress, whether they're full of shit or not. I can't be responsible for that.
I can only be responsible for how I behave and react. And so if I react with compassion and generosity in my interpretation, that is more reflective of,
than otherwise of myself of me it's it's only addressing what i can control and if it doesn't work out you know the difference is in a situation like this it not working out with somebody spending the money on a different thing is just harming themselves but if i extend that and it doesn't work out in a situation like this they could harm me or other people Right.
So there is a, the, the consequences are very different. So it's just sort of, it's tough. It's just really tough.
It's, it's, you know, it's funny. It does also, I don't know if this works, but when someone presents themselves and they're in distress and they're asking for help, usually, you know, it's a yes or no from, from the object or from the subject. Right. Um, If you choose to say no, you then, the ball bounces back into the court of the person who's asking.
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