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Chapter 1: What significant events happen during the rescue of Thomas Raith?
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Like, I never thought that Mad was actually going to kill Justine and the baby. Like, I didn't. That wasn't where the tension lied for me.
Mm-hmm.
But when the Crone shows up, I was like, uh-oh. I can't speak for her. I know Mab a little bit, but I don't know this bitch at all. I don't know what she's going to do. Right, right, yeah. But yeah, it was a lot in these two chapters. And the description of the process of saving Thomas and how close they came to losing him. It was funny, there was...
There was a moment where they're talking about saving Thomas and pulling him out of, you know, this state that he's in, this sort of stasis. And it made me think about, and I might be doing too much here. If I am, I apologize. But it made me think a little bit about what it's like when you're, like, really deeply, deeply depressed. Yeah. And people are trying to haul you back to life. Mm-hmm.
you know and um how uncomfortable and painful it is um and how desperate the people can be that are trying to save you and how because thomas had thomas according to the hunger had given up he was tired he was ruined he was you know yeah um and it just really uh resonated with me um It was a lie. It was a fucking lie. And then the fucking reveal of what the cause was... Fucking yikes. Yeah.
But also, elegant. The solution is very elegant and... kind of best case scenario yeah considering all the alternatives and even though i know it's going to be devastating for thomas to carry this and he'll have to carry it not alone because harry and larry will be there but justine won't um as awful as that is it's it's a beautiful kind of solution in a really really sad way yeah um
And I think Matt kind of did a big one here. Like shout out to Matt, you know, did a big one. That is true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, um, all right.
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Chapter 2: How does Harry pay a price for saving Thomas?
Well, I, I want to talk about this very much, but I want to start at the beginning as well because I have a tendency. Um, yeah. So we have to fight. We really do. I want to use the word proclivity, but that has such a weird, creepy connotation to it that I don't ever use that word. It kind of does. Isn't that a shame?
You know, whenever somebody's talking about their proclivities, it's always like something that you shouldn't be doing, which is unfortunate because it's a good word. Oh, man. But yeah, so I really enjoy that the chapter begins by having Harry be like, I was concentrating and I was in it and then this bitch had to come in here and say some crazy shit and now I cannot focus. What is she doing?
She just seriously harshed my mellow. My wizard mellow. I haven't heard that in so fucking long. I can't believe that was a thing that we used to say. I don't think I ever actively included that in my lexicon but it was definitely something that you would hear All the time. Yep.
I don't even know if people ever said it in real life or it was just something that became popular in certain types of movies in the 90s and early 80s. Yeah, it's almost like it was so hilarious that nobody ever really said it, but we insisted they did because we liked saying it to make fun of them. And so it was actually a little bit serious. It wasn't ironic.
But yeah, this bit of him just being like, God fucking damn it. I was laughing because... he asked her to be here, and later, he's just like, the fuck are you doing? And she's like, I'm doing what you asked me to do. I came here, and I'm doing my job.
And you can whine about it all you want, but that's what this is, and this is what you get, and you better be fucking happy at what a genius I am about it. She's just like, if I recall correctly, you asked for my help in this enterprise. you And I gave you my word, and if you are unfamiliar with Faye, my word is my bond, so I kind of have to be here, so I don't know what you're bitching about.
Indeed. Indeed. I don't know what you're bitching about is Mab's response to Harry, like, pretty much over everything all the time. It's low-key her response to everybody, because the way she talks to the Crone in this moment, and I'm just like, oh shit, are these bitches gonna fight? Don't fight! We don't need any more complications, please! Oh, yeah, that's a whole other part. Yeah.
So, yeah, it looks like she's, like, going to fucking stab Justine. And Lara has to rush over there to stop her. And, like, she gets a little trounced. It's not bad, but Matt is very much like, you aren't stopping me. News for you. She swats Lara like a fucking fly. Yeah. Just poop. And she goes flying like 30 feet head over heel into a wall, bangs her eye all up like it was nothing.
And Mab never even misses a beat on everything else that she's doing. He says something like she... Mab reached out for Lara and grabbed her like it was a movie she had already seen. I love that line. Or something like that. I do too, yeah. I don't know if it's just that like... Lara is so predictable on what she's going to do, or if Mab can sort of see a little bit ahead, or what?
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Chapter 3: What role does Mother Winter play in the story?
Well, she says basically, if you don't get up. But she knows there's a very real possibility that he can get up. And it's like she's baiting him, bluffing him, trying to antagonize him into getting up. Of course, but he's not getting up. So she can't lie. She can, she can, well, she can't outright lie. So she says she's, what does she say? She says exactly.
If you do not rise, I will end both of their lives in a single stroke. I'm still, I still think that, I still think that, I know she can't lie. I guess if he didn't rise, she would have had to have done it. But it just didn't seem like it was on the table as a potential as I was reading this. It just never occurred to me that Thomas wasn't going to rise at this provocation.
So I was never once worried that Mab was really going to do anything to Justine or the child. I definitely understand your feelings on this, though, because the first time that I read it, And I remember I argued with Seraphim in Discord about this, and I thought that Harry didn't get what Mav was doing.
And I was, like, frustrated with him because I was like, he thinks she's really going to do it? Like, why doesn't he get it? And Seraphim's like, he does get it. And I was like, he does not get it. He's reacting. And then when I went back and reread it, I was like, oh, I think you're right. I think he does. It's just...
Everything is so confused because there's so much going on and he has to focus on his thing. There's a lot going on. somebody's got to deal with her and I don't fucking have it right now to like split my attention. And I don't know what she's going to do, you know?
Um, but yeah, when I first read it, I was sort of like, Harry, you don't need to be so afraid, you know, she's not going to fucking do this. And yeah, it was, uh, I do like your point on my reread. I do like your point that, Harry is... Keep in mind that he's... I want to use the word distracted, but that seems wildly unfair.
He is intensely focused on a specific thing, which lends itself to not having any focus to give to other things. So... He's like watching Mab out the corner of his eye while he's still trying to maintain this connection with Thomas's hunger and manage this whole spell. So he's not able to give his full attention, his full cognitive reasoning or anything to what Mab is doing.
He can only kind of react to what it looks like she's doing out the corner of his eye through all of the nonsense that's happening around. And that does... help temper a little bit of my thinking about, well, why does he think she's really going to do this? Yeah. Like, of course she's not going to do this.
So I think that's a fair point that was made by whomever it was in the discord that you were. Seraphim. Seraphim. Seraphim. Yeah, Seraphim's a real, like, frequent participant in the convos and comes to, like, a lot of my spoil me lives and stuff, like One Piece.
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Chapter 4: How does the conversation shift to themes of sacrifice and grief?
Well, hello to them. Yeah. And sometimes... we, we like frequently seem to come away with like the opposite interpretations on things. And sometimes it's just, we don't agree. And sometimes it's that Seraphim has read something or watched something a trillion times and gets it by now. And I've only seen it one time and I'm just like, what? No. Um,
But yeah, so it was definitely one of those where I was just like, what do you mean? He doesn't get it at all. And then going back now, I'm like, oh, no, I think Sarah Fenton was right. But it's somewhere they're celebrating. Oh, 100%. 100%. I know I celebrate whenever somebody is like, you know what? I think you were right. It doesn't happen enough for me. It should be happening way more.
Yeah, I don't feel like it happens for any of us enough because nobody ever wants to cop to... You know, like... Listen, I told my therapist something that Stephen had said to me and I was upset about. And I told her. And she was like... He was right. And I almost ended our entire relationship. But then I told him. I copped to it. I was like, I talked to my therapist about da-da-da-da-da.
And she said, you were right. She said, it was wrong time to say it, but you were right to say it. And I was like... Don't ever say I never did nothing for you. What did he say? He just laughed. He just laughed and did like a little victory. Bless him. You know, a little victory dance. That's funny. Oh, my God. All right. So this whole thing is going off here.
And then we have the demon reach interfering. Mm-hmm. Coming in all hard, fast. Thou shalt cease thy action. I love that sentence. It's just such a weird. Comes in, smacks a big giant, like, crack in the ground. And just explosions and rocks are going everywhere. And roots are coming up everywhere. And I think roots come and, like, grab her by her ankles. Yeah. Yeah.
And she, Mab's reaction to this is to cackle in only the way that she can, that strikes fear in the heart of everyone who sees and hears it. And it says she let out a cackle that chilled the blood of even the winter night. And then she turns to Harry and goes, oh, my night, did you think you could actually draw a bigger gun than me? That is not something you're going to hear, y'all.
I love this so much. I couldn't wait to see what she was going to do. I had no idea who she was going to call. I had no idea what was going to happen next. Just when she says, bigger gun than me, I'm like, who can it be? Who's coming? What's coming? You know, is it a giant troll? Is it a goblin? Is it something from the never-never? Like, who and what? Yep.
Y'all, fucking the crone comes in crashing through the roof. I didn't know what the fuck this thing was. It just says a black-clad form streaked through the new opening, lands hard enough to send spiderweb cracks everywhere. And I'm just like, what the fuck is this? I mean, God, you guys.
Hunched elderly feminine figure, nonetheless at least half a foot taller than me, shrouded in thick overlapping garments of tattered black. Thick white hair was pulled back into a close braid. She shrugged a shoulder and a heavy cleaver with a black handle hung heavily in her withered old hand. She smiled. Green light streamed from iron teeth. Yeah.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of Thomas's sacrifice for his relationships?
Is that? And then I couldn't, like, remember exactly. Like, who wielded that? But then with the rest of the description, I was like, oh, my God, this is the old lady. This is the old mother. What is she doing outside the house? She don't come outside. What is she doing outside? I really, like, the cleaver made quite an impression on me, so that I was waiting for. I was like, where is the cleaver?
Where is it? And I don't know if you remember, but she tries to kill him with it when he... I think it's on, like, Halloween night or something. He goes into his grave and summons her. Because his grave is still sitting open in a way that's, like, illegal. And she really... tries to kill him with sincerity and he manages to avoid it, but it's, she's not playing with him, you know?
And I remember just being, when I first read it, so like startled at the fact that she is sincere on this. And then later when he sees mother summer, she's just like, yeah, well, summoning her hurts her these days. She's old and achy and you're calling her out of her comfy chair. And she doesn't have the walking stick anymore.
I think if I remember correctly, when we read that, we were low-key like, yeah, she has the right to be pissed. We were just like... Yeah, we were very much just sort of, well, Harry, you know, sometimes when you just go knocking at somebody's door at 2 in the fucking morning and get them out of bed, they are not going to be happy to see you, and that is going to be how it is.
We didn't like, you know, we didn't... co-sign her trying to kill him. But we understood her motivation. I mean, I a little bit co-signed it just because I wanted to do this myself. But that's a different conversation. You know. So then Harry looks at her because he's still got his sight going, right?
So he gets a vision, not gets a vision in that kind of psychic way, but like sees her, gets a visual. Yeah. And It is quite a description. It is a horror show. Yeah. And between us friends, I didn't care for it. I need you to turn that shit off. Turn the site off. Just flip the switch. Do something.
Because this whole bit, I don't know if it's long, so I don't know if you want to read it, but it is... I'll read it real fast. Listen, you guys. That's all the bad things. But it's funny because I say bad things, but really there's, except for the part about children being eaten whole and popped into soup and baked alive in ovens, which is giving very, very Brothers Grimm. Yes.
But the rest of it is just sort of nature. And I say bad, but it's not evil. It's just... Well, battlefields maybe. Yeah.
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Chapter 6: How does Harry's mental state affect his actions during the rescue?
Yeah, well, like, it's nature, our nature as human beings to be violent. Fair. Actual nature of the world and the environment around us, you know. Just all of the... negative outcomes, yeah, of things that some things we have control over, like wars and battlefields, and then things we don't have control over, like avalanches and earthquakes and things like that.
And that's the thing about the Fae that I keep getting tripped up over, I have to keep reminding myself, is that they are not... good or evil in the sort of traditional sense, right? They just kind of are, you know, what they are. And that sort of moral designation doesn't easily apply to them because they're so complicated.
Um, and, and so much about them is just, uh, is just, they're just forces of nature in the, in their own ways, kind of, you know, um, and our designations feel inadequate to describe all that they are. Yeah. Now, now granted in this particular moment, the way she comes down, it's giving a little evil. I mean, it's giving bad guy. Yeah. It is our associations that causes that.
But yes, I mean, I can't help but feel that she is leaning into it on purpose a bit more. Right? Yeah. And she says to, Mother Winter says to Demon Reach, basically, don't get in front of the queens and the promises they have made. And Harry is like, holy fuck. She called her boss. Yeah. Mab called her fucking boss. She's here. Right now.
And he says it hadn't happened for centuries, but you just reminded me it happened a couple years ago in his grief. Well, he... But they were a spirit form, though, right? And she, like, grabs him and yanks him into her world. By the ankle. Right, right. And tries to kill him in her world. So she doesn't fully manifest here. Yeah. Okay.
So her fully manifesting here in a sort of corporeal, like, actual presence, he says, hasn't happened for centuries. And just her being here, in addition to Mab, ice starts to spread. But I think it's mostly her. Ice starts to spread, like, all throughout the cave that they're in. Mm-hmm. And I don't like it yet. I'm reading this and I'm just like, this is, This is a complication we didn't need.
I love her, like, because the roots that are stopping her legs, she kicks free. And I just really love the, like, mental picture I've got of the disdainfulness of kicking free and just being like, yeah, let me go. Like, fuck you. I got a job I'm doing right now, you know? And...
Then he has this moment as she is like screaming, this is what you asked for, where Thomas makes this like soft sound of pain. And Harry sees his eyes and thinks, oh, God, I've been seeing those eyes reflected back at me in my shaving mirror and glasses of booze for months now. The grief and the sadness and the exhaustion and the pain and just being... Fucking tired of everything.
Not wanting to do this anymore. Yep. Sorry about the banging. Exactly. And this is where I start thinking about grief and depression and wanting to give up and not like just feeling like you don't have an ounce left in you to fight another day. And Harry has been fighting another day with this grief and pain that he's been carrying.
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Chapter 7: What is the significance of the deal made with Etri?
Why is that not an option? There are so many things that I think about that with that I'm like, would it have really made a difference? Because some stuff, it's like if I had just not done X, Y, Z. But then there are times where I'm like, yeah, but the other thing that would have gone wrong this way because such and such happened.
And I realized like, oh, I just kind of had a bunch of shitty choices. To choose from. Yeah. And I don't even know how much better the other choice would be. It would just have its own frustrations, you know? Yeah. Not to say that I wouldn't try it just to see. But I do often think about this sort of thing just because I read enough fiction that there's always little bits like this in there.
Ideas in my head. I think I get stuck on the thing that most people get stuck on is if I change something... which small thing could I change that would suddenly make it so that the life I have now is, is completely different. Like if I change one small thing, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with anything. Then maybe I don't meet Steve. Yeah. And then I don't have that life, you know?
Um, it's that, that's the sort of thing that gets me all like wonky about playing around with time. It's like, would I love to go and change very specific things I did? Absolutely. Would I like to go back and make a different choice? 100%. But then what does that look like for the rest of my life? Yeah, you know, and if I don't meet Steve, you know, I don't you.
It's like, it's just, you know, it. So he's kind of there's also the question, of course, because this comes up a lot. It's like, maybe you do meet them, but they're different. Yeah. How about that? Now we don't like them. Yeah.
Or you do meet them in a totally different way and at a different time, but you still ultimately wind up with each other and it's just going to be different how it works, you know? Yeah. Like I, uh, the thing with like, no, having met my husband four years before we ever went out on a date, if we had dated when we first met, that would have been a disaster.
It would have been an unmitigated disaster. But it just didn't, it just, you know, I didn't give him my phone number because I didn't have a phone. And it took four years to, in those four years, I changed so much from the person I was. And he changed so much from the person he was at the time. So, yeah, linear time, you suck a lot of the time, but what else are we going to do?
What are our other options? Indeed. Yeah, so he manages to convince the demon to make a deal. And, you know, it actually says, all right, done. We'll do that. Because Harry is like, if you keep him alive... I will make it so that you get to feed over and over, you know, and we will fight together to keep him alive. Yeah. We will fight together again.
There's a moment where Harry says, I can hear the hysterical giggle bubbling out of my voice.
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Chapter 8: How do the characters deal with the aftermath of the events?
He's making this fucking contract, this deal with this monster. And he just starts giggling because it's so absurd and so insane and also like dangerous and overwhelming. And just like the, the whole thing, The entire circumstance is just so... What the fuck? There's just nothing else to do but fucking giggle out of all the emotion. Sure, I said.
Why burn down the candy store when you keep getting more treats? Good! That's a human concept called sustainability. I mean, we're still working on it. But this conversation is going really well! I can hear the hysterical giggle bubbling out of my voice. Ha ha ha! And I feel like, I don't know about you guys, but I can giggle under stress. I can be a stress giggler. And, yeah, I felt that.
I felt every bit of that. Just like, this is going great. This is all awesome. This conversation is going really well. Oh, God. It's so funny. What does he say? I was in direct mental contact with a Lovecraftian horror. The American Metal Association probably wouldn't recommend it. I have to imagine. So, yeah, this is when he's, like, saying, but he's all fucked up, though.
And probably just gonna break in a second. And he's like, humans can heal. I've seen it. So, trust me. Yeah, he can be renewed. I've done it, and you and I are gonna do it to heal him. Yeah. And so, uh, he, the thing agrees, like you said, and, um, I think the
the chapter doesn't end there it was like it says no harry pulls back into his body he like closes his sight and collapses basically and is like about to throw up and he has to crawl right right this circle now i'll be honest i don't remember why he's trying to get to the circle like which i thought he was in a circle already No, he's far away.
Lara has to end up... Lara has to end up, like, dragging him over to where the circle was. And then when he gets to the circle, he uses some of the will that he can and he slams down on the outside to shatter the containment because he's got the hunger contained in the circle. Right, okay. He's got to break the circle so it can get back to Thomas, I guess. Um... So that's what that is.
So then he breaks the circle. All the energy is unleashed as wind and everything is flashing and shit. And then the demon vanishes back into Thomas. Um, and Harry says, I didn't know what was going on anywhere else. And I didn't have the energy to care. And he just calls Thomas's name. And, um, The hunger is back in him, healing. And Lara says, no pulse. And she starts to do CPR.
And they're working on him, you know, chest compressions and the whole deal, trying to get him back. And there's not a lot going on. There's not a lot of response. And then Mab jumps in. And she calls him and says, Thomas Wraith, choose, live for them or die with them.
and thomas starts to cry again but he's still not moving and he's still not drawing breath but he can hear everything oh my god people are so fucking loud dude i had to open my fucking window for a breeze but i guess i can't get a breeze and it's summertime too so it's just like packs of children roaming around oh yeah yeah
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