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Up First from NPR

New Epstein Documents, SCOTUS National Guard, GDP Growth

24 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 18.63 Steve Inskeep

happy christmas eve happy christmas eve yeah for those who celebrate those who get a day off that's not me this year you know what for those who work for those who work we're still here i can think of somebody who's working on christmas you're working on christmas i'm working on christmas thank you for working on christmas oh that's fine

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Chapter 2: What new revelations do the Epstein documents contain?

21.192 - 25.603 Steve Inskeep

30,000 additional pages show evidence the U.S. gathered about Jeffrey Epstein.

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25.784 - 31.859 Leila Fadel

The latest documents name famous people, including President Trump, who spoke again about guilt by association.

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31.939 - 36.771 Steve Inskeep

I'm Steve Inskeep with Leila Fadal, and this is Up First from NPR News.

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39.923 - 44.373 Leila Fadel

The Supreme Court blocked the deployment of National Guard troops to the Chicago area.

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Chapter 3: What did the Supreme Court decide regarding the National Guard in Chicago?

44.413 - 49.465 Leila Fadel

The interim ruling said the president failed to cite any law to justify its action.

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49.806 - 58.827 Sarah McCammon

It's difficult to see how any lower courts would be able to uphold a deployment under this law in the future.

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58.807 - 61.475 Steve Inskeep

Also, how does the U.S. economy keep on growing?

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Chapter 4: How does the economy's GDP growth compare to predictions?

61.856 - 66.47 Michael Zdenek

Never bet against the American consumer. We're always willing to spend money we don't have on things we don't need.

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Chapter 5: What details emerged about Trump's connections to Epstein?

66.912 - 70.302 Steve Inskeep

Stay with us. We'll give you the news you need to start your day.

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79.107 - 97.769 Unknown

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Chapter 6: What legal challenges does the National Guard deployment face?

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105.837 - 111.727 Steve Inskeep

Days after a legal deadline, the Justice Department is still releasing files related to Jeffrey Epstein.

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111.927 - 121.743 Leila Fadel

Yeah, the Trump administration is responding to an act of Congress that required it to make public every possible document about the sex offender who died in 2019.

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Chapter 7: What factors contributed to the recent GDP growth?

122.785 - 130.798 Leila Fadel

The latest batch includes 30,000 pages, including references to famous people and also a letter that the government says is fake.

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130.778 - 134.404 Steve Inskeep

We're going to talk it through with NPR political correspondent Sarah McCammon.

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Chapter 8: How are consumer spending patterns affecting the economy?

134.424 - 135.185 Steve Inskeep

Sarah, good morning.

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135.526 - 136.147 Unknown

Good morning, Steve.

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137.108 - 141.896 Steve Inskeep

Okay, so there's some questionable documents here, but what in this batch appears to be true?

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142.417 - 158.743 Unknown

These documents continue to reveal just how well-connected Epstein was to people from President Trump to former President Bill Clinton. For example, there are flight logs from the 1990s showing Trump and some members of his family... taking several trips on Epstein's plane along with other high-profile people.

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159.464 - 176.53 Unknown

Now, it was already well established that Trump knew Epstein, and we should say Trump has not been accused of any wrongdoing here, nor has Clinton for that matter. But these documents do highlight the relationship between the president and Epstein, and they raise questions about what Trump might have known about Epstein's behavior.

176.51 - 185.862 Steve Inskeep

Okay. There's also a letter in this batch of documents that, I mean, it was a real letter. Somebody seems to have actually mailed it, but people have questions about who really wrote it. What is it?

186.449 - 201.107 Unknown

Right. Well, I should say it's pretty disturbing, and the Justice Department says it is not real. But the letter was purportedly written in 2019 by Epstein to Dr. Larry Nassar, who was accused of molesting hundreds of gymnasts and convicted on multiple charges.

201.868 - 225.124 Unknown

Epstein supposedly wrote, quote, Now, the DOJ addressed this letter in a couple of posts on X yesterday, first saying they were looking into it, and then less than two hours later, The DOJ announced that, quote, the FBI has confirmed this alleged letter from Jeffrey Epstein to Larry Nassar is fake. Now, the FBI declined to comment to NPR.

225.765 - 242.997 Unknown

And that post from DOJ also pointed out several apparent inconsistencies in this letter, including the fact that it was postmarked three days after Epstein's death in Virginia. even though he'd been jailed in New York. So, you know, these documents were collected by the DOJ over several years. It's not clear what's real and what's not.

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