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Rahm Emanuel on 2026 Midterms and Politics in the Trump Era

22 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What advice does Rahm Emanuel have for Democrats in the 2026 midterms?

2.174 - 6.325 Steve Inskeep

Democrat Rahm Emanuel has seen many elections and has advice for this year's.

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6.927 - 12.622 Rahm Emanuel

This is a referendum election. Keep it focused on the rubber stamp of the Republican Congress to President Trump.

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12.642 - 25.141 Steve Inskeep

What does he think Democrats are doing right and wrong? It's a special edition of Up First from NPR News. Emanuel is a Democratic Party insider with a critique of the Democratic Party.

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25.422 - 32.109 Rahm Emanuel

Republicans have walked away from public education, abandoned it. And Democrats have abandoned accountability and standards.

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32.129 - 40.678 Steve Inskeep

What did he learn about education from a Republican-dominated state? Also, how did Democrats lose corporate America, even though many executives worried about Trump?

40.698 - 45.183 Rahm Emanuel

You're watching from the sideline a nation being destroyed and walking away from the rule of law.

45.683 - 73.241 Steve Inskeep

Stay with us for a talk with Rahm Emanuel. Rahm Emanuel has been involved at every level of government. He was a Democratic leader in Congress, President Obama's chief of staff, mayor of Chicago, and President Biden's ambassador to Japan. Now he's thinking about a run for president, which gives him a platform to promote a particular idea of the Democratic Party.

73.621 - 83.095 Steve Inskeep

We sat down to talk to him about everything. Welcome to our studio. Thanks for coming by. Thank you. I want to begin with the Prime Minister of Canada. Good.

Chapter 2: How does Rahm Emanuel critique the current state of the Democratic Party?

83.355 - 86.559 Steve Inskeep

Which is a sentence that has never been said at the beginning of an interesting podcast before.

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86.579 - 88.181 Rahm Emanuel

That's where the Prime Minister wants to begin.

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88.341 - 104.585 Steve Inskeep

I think so. Mark Carney, just before we sat down here, gave a speech at the World Economic Forum in which he effectively said the U.S.-led rules-based economic order is over. That it's always been partly a lie, but that people benefited, now it's been exposed as a total lie, and it's done.

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105.026 - 107.45 Rahm Emanuel

Is he right? Did he use the word lie?

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107.851 - 110.535 Steve Inskeep

He talked about things being false, falsehoods, yes.

110.555 - 118.668 Rahm Emanuel

Yeah, well, I mean, it probably is a proper follow-up to we chased him into the arms of President Xi of China, which was totally unnecessary.

Chapter 3: What lessons about education does Rahm Emanuel share from his experiences?

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Days ago, trade deal with China.

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120.17 - 141.683 Rahm Emanuel

Also shows the inconsistency, if you wanted to talk about President Trump's policy of having this region be our region, you take the country with the largest, longest border with the United States, and you are shoving them away when they wanted to actually run closer and be more aligned. So there's consequences and also an inherent contradiction to the president's own stated policy.

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Chapter 4: How did Democrats lose the support of corporate America?

141.663 - 166.506 Rahm Emanuel

I do think there's two things that I would say that I think are getting lost in all the news, and I'll respond to it, and the speech fits in that. Okay. America today is exporting its political dysfunction, and China under President Xi is exporting their economic dysfunction. Let me unravel that. Sure.

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Chapter 5: What insights does Rahm Emanuel offer about the impact of Trump on American politics?

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China is now 40% of the world's or nearly 40% of the world's manufacturing. Right. More than the United States, Europe, and Japan combined. And because their economy is... Imbalanced, massive overhang of public debt, massive overhang of housing, deflation.

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186.094 - 205.097 Rahm Emanuel

The President Xi has decided they're going to export their way out of this, and they're destroying even to not just us but other allies of theirs, not us, industrial base. They're exporting their problems onto the world economy, which is why Europe is trying to protect itself, as an example, Chile.

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207.863 - 231.188 Rahm Emanuel

The reason the EU has an anti-coercion plank in their economic toolbox, which they refer to as the bazooka, it was designed to protect Europe post-Lithuania getting attacked by China. It's being only deployed or talked about in defense of the United States, but it was originally conceived of because of China.

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231.168 - 235.635 Steve Inskeep

Oh, meaning that they were preparing for a trade war with China. Instead, they have one with the United States.

235.655 - 245.973 Rahm Emanuel

When Lithuania did something with Taiwan and China did a three-year economic coercion, they came up with this tool, an attack on one. Economically, you could use an anti-coercion tool, et cetera.

Chapter 6: How does Rahm Emanuel view the relationship between the U.S. and China?

246.814 - 270.171 Rahm Emanuel

Now they're talking about – and the only time they would ever think of deploying it, not to say they're going to, was because of the United States. And mainly because of what the United States is doing, threatening tariffs – on EU countries, mainly EU as a whole, because of the way we're approaching Greenland. And I don't think Carney's take is totally wrong.

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270.191 - 283.452 Rahm Emanuel

I'm not sure it's totally right because of the size of the economies, but the order in which we have been a beneficiary is now fundamentally broken and cannot be repaired, so it has to be thought anew.

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283.852 - 306.817 Steve Inskeep

I want to talk that through. Carney is essentially saying the U.S. set up these rules for the global economy and also for human rights and conduct among nations. It was always partly a fiction, he says. I believe he uses the word fiction, but it kind of worked. But now he says the U.S. has stripped the fiction away. It's a naked power grab or great powers, he says, are making a naked power grab.

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So it's done and smaller nations have to defend themselves.

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310.282 - 314.307 Rahm Emanuel

You expanded the point. I thought he said only economic. Now I'm hearing also political.

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I think it's all in there. Everything is in there. Freedom of the seas, all manner of things.

319.114 - 341.046 Rahm Emanuel

So let me say that the United States, while maybe never totally lived up to its idealistic claims, it was more consistent with it. even when it did things in violation of that. I think him saying is, okay, the game is off. The mask has been ripped off. There's actually no even head faking these aspirational goals.

341.066 - 344.631 Steve Inskeep

You guys aren't even pretending anymore. So smaller nations have to fend for themselves.

344.651 - 365.862 Rahm Emanuel

Yeah, I mean, there is going to be a legacy of damage and collateral damage from the United States walking away from not just that it constructed this, It constructed an international economic, political, and strategic – that's what I would call NATO and other allies in Europe – a whole set of systems that we benefited from.

Chapter 7: What does Rahm Emanuel believe is necessary for restoring the American dream?

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And the other day on television, you said you wanted to, quote, end ICE as you know it today. As we know it. As we know it today. Some people will hear that and think you meant abolish ICE.

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633.684 - 658.019 Rahm Emanuel

Did you mean that? No. As we know it today. Go on. That couldn't have been, I think, clearer. I'm inviting you to be clear now. That will be a test. We'll see if I can pass it. Okay. No, but ICE has become a lawless mob rather than a law enforcement agency. It serves a role, but not trying to be an occupying force in our cities. Taking a U.S.

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citizen out of a school, grabbing people who are filing their immigration papers at the courthouse, which means they understand that the rules and this is the law, is lawless. Wearing masks without identity, no body cams. There's a lot of reforms, and I'll tell you, not just for immigration. As a former mayor of a big city, you have a national crisis one day, a terrorist act.

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680.625 - 706.671 Rahm Emanuel

I've seen it both as a mayor and also as a chief of staff to a president. The trust between a national security entity, whether it's ICE or any other entity, local law enforcement, and the public is essential to responding to a crisis. You're destroying that trust. And so I say, and I says, we know it because it's not become, it's not a law enforcement entity anymore.

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706.851 - 729.355 Rahm Emanuel

It's become a lawless mob and you can see the action and the American people agree with this conclusion. What they're doing is creating lawlessness and disorder. So how it's functioning and the way it's lacking both oversight is ended as that is the Congress is going to improve the appropriation with some changes here. But another point and illustrating of this example is,

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No police chief of any city of size would ever allow a young man who six months ago got 33 stitches on having served back on the street given all the other both physical, mental, and emotional scars.

746.184 - 748.526 Steve Inskeep

You're referring to the agent who shot Renee Macklin-Goode.

748.706 - 758.515 Rahm Emanuel

Yes. And so to me, it has lacked supervision. It lacks purpose. It lacks focus. And it is serving for a political goal, not a law enforcement goal.

758.495 - 776.503 Steve Inskeep

So that's what I said, and that's what I meant by end it as we know it, not end it. That leads to another question. Do you think that, in your view, a more competent, better-trained ICE with better guidance could accomplish the goal the president has in mind, which is deporting millions of people as quickly as possible?

Chapter 8: What are Rahm Emanuel's thoughts on the importance of education in politics?

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The president had consensus in the country, and what he claimed is deport... undocumented immigrants with criminal records.

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790.592 - 792.835 Steve Inskeep

Sure, he said many things, and that was one of the things.

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793.336 - 794.979 Rahm Emanuel

Well, that was primary.

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He said everything at once.

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797.022 - 799.306 Rahm Emanuel

And it was like a salad bar. You could pick which one you wanted.

799.366 - 801.69 Steve Inskeep

I think that's actually accurate, yeah.

801.71 - 820.564 Rahm Emanuel

What this is morphed to is not what the American people bargained for. And you can see it, if you don't trust me, listen to Joe Rogan referring to them as Gestapo. Okay, so this is not a political, I'm making a political, not a partisan, but a political observation. He has lost the American people.

821.067 - 843.042 Rahm Emanuel

And for good reason, because he has overextended way beyond – he never had a mandate, but way beyond what you could have said was the support of the American people. And I think it's more than just a tweak of management and reform. I don't think any city – and I'm talking about this as having lived through this in Chicago – should have the federal government come in as an occupying force.

843.062 - 846.027 Steve Inskeep

It's just – That leads to another question, though. You talked about coordination.

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