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The Day The Dinosaurs Died

Sun, 01 Jun 2025

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In 2007, paleontologist Ken Lacovara suspected he'd made a huge discovery in an unexpected spot. Tucked behind a Lowe's hardware store in a strip mall in New Jersey he found one of the most intact fossil beds from 66 million years ago. Recently a new museum opened at the dig site, where visitors can learn more about the day an asteroid struck the earth, killing the dinosaurs, and even go hunting for their own fossils. Listen to the full episode on the TED Radio Hour podcast and see photos from the quarry.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Chapter 1: What event led to the extinction of the dinosaurs?

2.116 - 28.926 Ayesha Roscoe

I'm Ayesha Roscoe, and you're listening to the Sunday Story from Up First, where we go beyond the news to bring you one big story. About 66 million years ago, something huge happened on our planet. It's known as the fifth mass extinction event, and it wiped out some 50% of plants and animals on Earth. You probably know the basics of the story, an asteroid struck and killed off all the dinosaurs.

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29.467 - 52.381 Ayesha Roscoe

But recently, scientists have been uncovering more details about what really happened at that pivotal moment in history. Mantua, New Jersey, is the site of a new paleontology museum and fossil dig site where scientists are discovering exciting new clues about what happened in the days and even hours after the asteroid hit.

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53.26 - 72.888 Ayesha Roscoe

The Edelman Fossil Park and Museum of Rowan University opened this spring to the public, and now anyone who visits has the chance to go down into the quarry to find fossils themselves. When we come back, we go to the fossil site and find out what happened on that fateful day. Stay with us.

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Chapter 2: What discoveries are being made at the Edelman Fossil Park?

78.103 - 92.295 Ayesha Roscoe

We're back with The Sunday Story, and I'm here with Manoush Zomorodi, host of the TED Radio Hour, to talk about her reporting from the Edelman Fossil Park and what it can teach us. Manoush, welcome to the show. Oh, thanks, Aisha.

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92.335 - 92.936 Manoush Zomorodi

Glad to be here.

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93.726 - 109.074 Ayesha Roscoe

So you visited the dig site and the museum before it was open to the public. You got a little sneak preview and you got a tour from Ken Lacovara, the renowned paleontologist who founded the museum. What was that like?

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110.04 - 135.491 Manoush Zomorodi

It was a big surprise, Aisha, because this site is tucked behind a strip mall. It is New Jersey after all. So there's like a Lowe's hardware store and a Chick-fil-A and you drive around the bend behind the mall and there's this beautiful museum with a huge pit in front of it. And Ken took me down into the pit and you're there and you're like, well, there's just a pile of dirt down here, right?

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135.871 - 152.557 Manoush Zomorodi

But actually, it is full of tiny fossils, mostly of sponges and clams and snails and oysters, but also bone fragments of turtles, sharks, mosasaurs, and even, yes, an occasional dinosaur.

153.017 - 165.162 Ayesha Roscoe

Wow. I mean, that's incredible because anybody would want to find a little dinosaur piece, right? So how did Ken first discover this site in New Jersey?

165.851 - 191.781 Manoush Zomorodi

So Ken's actually a Jersey boy, but he spent most of his career traveling all around the globe, discovering some of the biggest fossils ever, including a dinosaur in Argentina that he named Dreadnoughtus. It is bigger than the T-Rex. Anyway, so about 20 years ago, Ken decides to come home and become a professor at nearby Rowan University in New Jersey. And then he hears about this site.

191.841 - 217.556 Manoush Zomorodi

It's a mining quarry. So he starts taking his students down there to get some digging experience, see what they can find. And they would follow the bulldozers around to see if any fossils would turn up. And occasionally they would. And then finally, in 2007, he rented a corner of the pit and he really excavated it, like, properly. And that is when he realized he had a huge discovery on his hands.

218.396 - 219.717 Ayesha Roscoe

Well, what did he find?

Chapter 3: How did Ken Lacovara find the fossil site?

220.529 - 247.98 Manoush Zomorodi

Well, at the bottom of the pit, Ken discovered a 66 million year old bone bed. This is a six inch deep layer of dirt that runs across the width of the quarry with over 100,000 fossils from 100 different species from the Cretaceous period. So Ken calls this the extinction layer. This bone bed, Aisha, essentially documents the day that the asteroid Cretaceous

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248.16 - 267.154 Manoush Zomorodi

hit the Earth, and caused the fifth extinction. It is the most significant intact fossil record to date of the death of the dinosaurs. I mean, I did not know all these details of what researchers think happened that day. Is it okay if I play you an excerpt from our episode?

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268.015 - 270.057 Ayesha Roscoe

Yes, absolutely. Let's listen.

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272.202 - 276.645 Manoush Zomorodi

The ground is teeming with fossils, if you know how to look for them.

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276.965 - 287.992 Ken Lacovara

So most of them are invertebrate fossils, clams, snails, oysters, things like that. We'll have turtles and sharks and mosasaurs and bony fish, the rare dinosaur.

289.193 - 312.428 Manoush Zomorodi

But in addition to all those fossils, the other key thing that Ken and his team have unearthed is a metal called iridium that's usually only found in asteroids. Ken explained the latest thinking on exactly what happened that day, 66 million years ago, when an asteroid slammed into the Earth.

314.149 - 330.94 Ken Lacovara

The asteroid impact happens 1,500 miles away from here, off the Yucatan Peninsula in what is now Mexico. It blasts a crater in the Earth's crust that's about 110 miles across by 12 miles deep. So that's roughly the size of Massachusetts, say.

Chapter 4: What is the significance of the extinction layer discovered?

332.406 - 348.735 Manoush Zomorodi

Eight and a half minutes after the asteroid hits, a magnitude 10.3 earthquake rolls across the continent, probably knocking the largest dinosaurs down. But the deadliest moment comes about 16 minutes after the asteroid.

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349.747 - 366.561 Ken Lacovara

All that material is blasted up through the atmosphere, goes in the low Earth orbit. It's pulverized into maybe millimeter-sized pieces, but it still has all the mass. So you've given that mass a tremendous amount of potential gravitational energy. When that stuff comes back in, it's got to balance the energy books.

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368.263 - 386.392 Ken Lacovara

And the result that day, within the first hour, is global temperatures get up somewhere between toaster oven and pizza oven. So the dinosaurs that have dominated Earth's terrestrial ecosystems for 165 million years, I think are functionally extinct within an hour after that impact.

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386.412 - 388.193 Manoush Zomorodi

An hour? Do we know that for sure?

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388.633 - 405.84 Ken Lacovara

Well, here's what we know. I mean, all dinosaurs lived on land. Well, that day, if you can't do what little mammals did, or crocodiles, or lizards, or turtles, if you can't get into a burrow somewhere, dig underground somewhere... Well, it's between toaster oven and pizza oven. You die on the surface of the earth that day if you don't have a place to hide.

405.9 - 420.013 Ken Lacovara

And it doesn't look like the dinosaurs had a place to hide. Were there a few stragglers that, you know, maybe were at the mouth of a cave or, you know, swimming at the time? Sure. But I think they were functionally extinct at that moment.

422.611 - 440.147 Manoush Zomorodi

Several hours later, Ken says a tsunami likely over 130 feet high would have crashed into the coast right here, sweeping the dead dinosaurs out to sea where they'd sink down to the ocean floor, creating a bone bed.

440.723 - 456.132 Ken Lacovara

a bone bed that is from the exact moment of the asteroid impact. In fact, it's the only place in the world where you can see a complete death assemblage of many, many species that are victims of that event with the fallout from the asteroid.

457.533 - 466.918 Manoush Zomorodi

We walk around the site to get a different vantage point. And Ken says that the fallout from the asteroid, tiny pieces of it, have been found in over 350 sites around the world.

Chapter 5: What happened immediately after the asteroid impact?

469.397 - 492.87 Ken Lacovara

but just from the ash, just from the material that falls from the sky. To date, the fossil occurrences in that layer have been very, very meager. There's some fish scales in Belgium. There's a pile of paddlefish and a dinosaur leg in North Dakota. That's about it. This site here that you're looking at has an entire collapsed ecosystem at that moment.

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492.91 - 513.427 Ken Lacovara

We've recovered over 100,000 fossils representing over 100 species, and they are interbedded with the fallout from that impact that happened off the coast of Mexico. So we have little glass spherules that rain down from the sky, little grains of what we call shocked quartz, and we have a spike in the level of the metal iridium, which is very, very rare in the crust of the earth, but very

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513.837 - 524.286 Ken Lacovara

much more abundant in asteroids. And so this makes this the best window on the planet into that pivotal, calamitous moment that wiped out the dinosaurs and really made the modern world as we know it.

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524.846 - 525.447 Manoush Zomorodi

Why here?

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526.448 - 537.128 Ken Lacovara

Well, I mean, it was everywhere. We happen to have those deposits preserved here and then... We had a quarry here because of the mining operation since the first one of those that have been found.

537.568 - 538.328 Manoush Zomorodi

Are there any others?

538.809 - 543.691 Ken Lacovara

Oh, there must be. You could probably go under the Lowe's and find these same deposits or the Chick-fil-A.

543.812 - 547.754 Manoush Zomorodi

How do you stop yourself from just, like, wanting to dig up everywhere here?

Chapter 6: How did the environment change after the asteroid hit?

547.874 - 567.078 Ken Lacovara

Well, I kind of do, but, you know. It's taken us 14 years to excavate only 250 square meters. And these fossils are very important to science. And so we excavate these for ourselves, but for future scientists as well.

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567.138 - 577.544 Ken Lacovara

And so we have to document everything very carefully, curate the material very carefully, make sure it's preserved forever so that scientists 200 years from now can study these same fossils.

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582.665 - 600.219 Ayesha Roscoe

I did not realize it happened that fast. Like that is shocking. I thought it was like months and maybe a year or two and that the world could get that hot that fast. I mean, it, I really, it makes me think of like the land before time, you know, that, you know, the movie.

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600.239 - 601.08 Manoush Zomorodi

I love that show.

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601.14 - 615.409 Ayesha Roscoe

It's just like, oh my gosh. So, so, so what's the, what's the bigger picture here? Like what does Ken Lacovara represent? hope people come away with after visiting this museum and the fossil site.

616.149 - 639.92 Manoush Zomorodi

Yeah, so the museum and the pit, they just opened to the public. And what he really wants is people to come and touch the earth and really get a sense of just how long this planet has been around, you know, this idea of deep time. Ken likes to use this analogy. So like, let's say you have a thousand page book that represents the entire history of the planet.

640.42 - 662.779 Manoush Zomorodi

When it comes to the human experience, he says we would be the last word, the last word in the whole book. That is how limited our time here has been. And even though we haven't been here for very long, we humans have used that short time to wreak havoc. And He says we have actually started the next mass extinction with climate change.

663.019 - 672.588 Manoush Zomorodi

But he thinks that if you love something, if you know something, you will work to protect it. And he hopes to help people get to know and love planet Earth.

673.809 - 684.578 Ayesha Roscoe

OK, well, that is a beautiful sentiment. Right? Yes. I have to ask, when you were there, did you find a fossil there?

Chapter 7: What evidence supports the understanding of the dinosaur extinction?

685.166 - 691.253 Manoush Zomorodi

Well, yes, I needed a little coaching from Ken, to be honest. So let's hear my big moment here.

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691.573 - 695.373 Ayesha Roscoe

Yeah. Oh, yes. Let's do that. So what do I do?

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695.873 - 710.019 Ken Lacovara

Well, so you're looking for things that used to be alive. So you want to look for the hallmarks of life, which is pattern, form, symmetry. If you find something that looks like a random clump of dirt, it's probably a random clump of dirt, right?

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710.539 - 710.899 Manoush Zomorodi

Okay.

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710.919 - 713.54 Ken Lacovara

So there are fossils right here. I see some fossils right here.

713.6 - 714.16 Manoush Zomorodi

You see them?

715.32 - 719.362 Ken Lacovara

I do. I see fossils everywhere. So there you go. You found your first fossil.

720.236 - 721.137 Manoush Zomorodi

That's it? That was easy.

721.317 - 736.972 Ken Lacovara

This is a fossil sponge. So a sponge is a little filter feeding organism that lives on the sea floor. They draw in water and they have these little cilia, these little hairs, and they filter feed what's in the water. And you just found a 66 million year old fossil sponge. What? Yep.

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