Chapter 1: What claims are being made about Stephen Miller?
Kara Swisher says what she says about Stephen Miller. There's a clip that came up. You know, I'm at the Pentagon yesterday in the Department of State. We literally got back 3.30 this morning, just so everybody knows. We landed 3 o'clock this morning. We got home at 3.30, 4 o'clock. We slept. We came back here at 8 a.m., and we're doing a podcast here with you guys. And we're energized, exciting.
It was great. Yesterday, I'm talking to a bunch of different guys, and, you know, we're at the, what do you call it, Department of War and all these different places. And we're talking to Hexhead yesterday, Christine Ohm, did a podcast with Rand Paul. Stephen Miller's name came up many, many times. And I said, you know who Stephen Miller is to me?
Stephen Miller is, to give the analogy of basketball, I said, in basketball, everybody needs a Dennis Rodman. Stephen Miller is Dennis Rodman.
Draymond Green.
He is the Draymond Green. He's the rage baiting, you know, poking you, tapping you in the butt, irritating you. Dylan Brooks. Yes, that's who he is. He's the Dylan, what was the guy's name? Malavadeta? Oh, Delavadeta. He works here. Yeah. So here's, watch, this guy's doing a podcast. He's talking to a professor and accidentally realizes he used to teach Stephen Miller.
Look at the response on what he says about Stephen Miller. Go ahead, Rob. My former student.
What's that? My former student. I'm sorry, say again. My former student. The Stephen Miller in the Trump administration? Did you want to say a little bit more about that before we listen to this clip?
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Chapter 2: How does Stephen Miller's strategy compare to Dennis Rodman's?
He said that I asked him in 2003 what he wanted to be when he grew up. And he said, I want to be number two in the White House. And I said, oh, when do you want to achieve that? He says, in the next 15 years. I said, wow. Okay, well, who would be the president?
in 2003 and he said donald trump maybe what the guy is very smart that's crazy i didn't where was this and duke is in poli sci 122. you had him at duke yeah It's a true story. I mean, I do a lot of homework here, Hein. You could have told me this before the program. Not enough homework. Wow. Okay. No question he's very smart. And he has a long-term vision.
Was he a good student, by the way? He was very good. A very good student. Yeah. See, this is the part that they don't want to talk about. This guy, Stephen Miller, you know, they can say whatever they want to say about the Stephen Miller guy. But that professor right there, you think they're probably on the same page politically? Probably not.
You think that guy and the professor are on the same page politically? Well, they're supposed to be, right?
Because that's what that podcast is about, is bringing this guy up as context of what the podcaster already believes. Look... It's not about saying Stephen Miller is stupid or he's a genius.
That is silly. The fact that he's a number two guy to Hitler type of a comparison.
It's so crazy.
Listen, that does nothing good.
It does nothing good. It makes nothing better. It doesn't create any chance of better outcomes. All it does is piss people off. And if that's what you want to do, fine. I think the only mistake with Miller, Miller is not a front guy. Miller's messaging, his demeanor, his style, I don't think helps the president.
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Chapter 3: What insights did a professor share about Stephen Miller's ambitions?
We're doing the wrong things. He is not being well served by the people around him. Stephen Miller, strategically, they are very happy with. Bannon says the same thing, which is weird because they're not buddies. But having him as a front person, I think, is complicated. I'm not sure if I agree with that completely. I'll tell you why.
Because I first saw Stephen Miller, and I didn't realize I was seeing him. You know where he came to national prominence? He fearlessly stepped up to the microphone and said that the case against his fellow classmates on Duke lacrosse, he wasn't part of the lacrosse team. He wasn't part of that fraternity.
But he stepped up to the microphone and made a very cogent legal analysis and sat there and said, this is wrong. This is racially motivated in the wrong way. He was strong. And guess what? He was right. And that's where America met Stephen Miller, standing up for his classmates. 15 years ago, I want to say. 15 years ago.
Do you know who blew that case wide open and proved that it was a false prosecution? Me and Dan Abrams, NBC News and ABC News. Yeah. We blew up the timeline. We proved that things didn't happen when they said. Those boys got railroaded. And, of course, Crystal Mangum, who was the accuser, wound up admitting it. The woman who was with her wound up admitting it long before.
It was a con, and it was done by a local prosecutor, in part, who wanted to make a name for going after the rich kids and impress his working class community. And what happened to him? He was disbarred, and he actually did time. That's right. Brief, but he did time. That's right. So I know the case very well. I remember his role very well.
I wish he would come on, you know, to be tested and come on. He doesn't want to come on with me, and that's unfortunate because I want to give people an opportunity to make their move. You mean News Nation? Yeah, he won't come on.
You know who you should have on, though, is if he won't come on with you, you should have on his wife, Katie Miller, who has this massive podcast now, gets everybody on, could pull her up. I think she started it six months ago. She's had Elon Musk. She's had everybody from the administration. So she's doing a lot of the talking for him. But I'll tell you one thing about Stephen Miller.
I don't want her. I want him. I don't want your wife. Touche. Touche. But, you know, you take what you can get. But I do want to get back to Pat's point when he's talking about Kara Swisher. I'll make a quick point about Stephen Miller. Trump rewards loyalty. Stephen Miller has arguably been the most loyal person since day one. You know, the whole Trump was right about everything.
That is being, like, humanized in the human form with Stephen Miller. That's why he rewards him. Back to Kara Swisher. PBD made the most important point about the – If you don't set the tone or set an example with Don Lemon, oh, you have no idea the floodgates that will open in mosques, in churches, in temples.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of outrage politics discussed in the episode?
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