Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Welcome in everybody. Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off right now. Got some things to discuss with all of you. We've got the continuing Epstein fallout of all the documents, including Bill Clinton's deposition now. Something we can discuss here. Hillary Clinton testifying. Clay, just as a follow-up, remember when they said that... Some photo got leaked.
Apparently it was being recorded, and so just the photo came out in advance of the recorded session, so it was really just a total tempest in a teapot. The whole thing was absurd. No surprise with any of that. More on the Trump-USA hockey relationship. Awesomeness for Americans who love America, but there are some sad moments
Sad exclamation point, malcontents out there who do not love fun, America, gold medals, hockey, and they are annoyed about this, including one athlete who only ever gets attention anymore for being one of those people who is a malcontent and cannot celebrate the greatness of USA, USA without raining on the parade a bit.
Chapter 2: What are the implications of the Epstein files fallout?
Update on the NYPD snowball assault situation, which I have to say, I am gratified that at least some people. Well, we are certainly. But the police commissioner was taking it very seriously. But as I warned you, I saw this one coming. It's not up to the police commissioner whether these individuals get punished or not. So we will give you the latest on that.
Some Immigrations and Customs Enforcement updates. And then Paramount takes over Warner Brothers. Clay, our media M&A expert, is going to explain why this matters. This is one of those things where truly I don't even know. He knows he could run the org chart for all these places from his head. Like he actually knows who's in charge and who owns what. I don't even...
It was like Viacom, Discovery Channel, Movie Studio, something or other. I don't know any of this stuff.
I think it's going to be a big deal. We'll dive into that. But I think probably the number one story right now, as we were just talking about off-air, Buck, is Bill Clinton is testifying in the Epstein probe. Yesterday was Hillary. Today is Bill Clinton. And so let me give you my take, and then everybody can be angry at it.
Oh, yes.
Here we go. Nothing is going to come of this. Bill Clinton is going to answer questions as a smart attorney would, denying he's already put out a public statement, denying that he had any knowledge of it at all, wagging his finger at all of us like he did with Monica Lewinsky, and it's going to be basically impossible to prove that he did anything wrong.
Let me tell you where this is going because I do think this is significant and will open up the phone lines if people want to weigh in. The Jeffrey Epstein case, whatever you might have thought of it in the past, is now the primary method by which Democrats are attacking Donald Trump. And it is illegitimate, and it is not based in reality, but they have used
anger on the right and some anger on the left. And they are just trying to channel that anger into Trump. And they are using Steele dossier like BS, Russia collusion like BS, Brett Kavanaugh accusation like BS to now attack President Trump, who did nothing of any criminal nature at all.
So that is where we are. You are.
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Chapter 3: How is the Texas primary shaping up for candidates?
That's a very important observation. I agree with nothing is going to come from this. I'm always the womp womp guy here. I told you nothing is going to come. The JFK files. Nothing is going to come of the Epstein files. Let me be clear. That's not the same as saying I don't think that we should have transparency into them. Sure.
But if there were something in there that could be charged, they would have charged it. They're not going to release files and say, oh, here's this like super powerful rich guy who's actually an underage sex criminal. And we just didn't even think about this till now. Of course, there's nothing in there that they're going to charge. There are things that are unsavory.
There are things that make you think people have lost jobs and professorships. There is fallout for sure, but the fallout is for being a scumbag, and to be clear, not for criminal behavior.
People are suffering consequences now, and you can make of this what you will, but I do think there's a little bit of a moral panic going on where you have some people who are having to defend themselves on the Trump side of things who didn't do anything, but because they're in the Epstein files, and this has been turned into this giant conspiracy of global cover-up and everything else,
You know, you have to go with the facts and you have to be clear and precise on this. Clay, to what you're saying, this is the primary way that people who hate you and everything that Donald Trump is trying to accomplish for you is trying to cleave Trump from the base with. This is their weapon right now. They go Epstein, Epstein, Epstein.
And they say that this as if like Trump is somehow the guy who is implicated. He's if anything, he's implicated in being the one guy who's like Epstein's a scumbag. Why aren't you guys doing more about this? Fifteen years ago. And yet, Clay, Democrats recognize that this is now a tool that they can use through misrepresenting what's in there.
And it also goes to why did Trump not really want to get into this? Why did Trump look at some of this and realize, you know, what's going to happen here? You're going to get a lot of a lot of people are just going to come to conclusions about this that aren't in evidence. And then Democrats are going to say, see, it's all Trump or he's still covering it up or his name is in there.
They're going to misrepresent this to suggest that Donald Trump is like the primary Epstein suspect. Number one, when that's the opposite of what the files actually shows about Donald Trump.
Yeah, I think what you said is important. People who are Trump supporters are being used through the Epstein files to attack Trump. And here's two big things that I think are here. And again, the story today is President Clinton, former President Clinton, is testifying. I don't think anything's going to come of this. I don't think anything's going to come of the Hillary Clinton mess.
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Chapter 4: What are the geopolitical concerns surrounding Cuba?
I don't think so. Based on everything that I've seen, I think it would be very hard to charge people criminally. Here are two big facts that I think are important that are not getting talked about enough. The Trump DOJ charged Epstein. I don't know why no one is talking about this.
The Trump DOJ, these charges that came down against Jeffrey Epstein, they were brought by the Donald Trump Department of Justice in 2019 when Trump was still in office. Nobody was charging Epstein anything. Nothing was being done. The Trump DOJ charged him.
This is after the pleading guilty to the interaction with, I think it was like what Alan Dershowitz told us, was a 17 and a half year old masseuse for sexual assault in that case in some way. So point one.
Soliciting a prostitute was actually the charge.
Soliciting an underage prostitute. Yeah. Trump's Department of Justice charged Epstein is point one. Point two, Joe Biden's Department of Justice had all of these files for four years. Not one Democrat demanded that they release all these files. Not one Democrat demanded that there be any sort of public investigation surrounding Epstein at all.
Again, Trump's DOJ charged Epstein in 2019, which led to his death when he was eventually in custody. Suicide, according to the FBI. Biden's Department of Justice had these files, kept them private for four years, did nothing with them, and no Democrat made any demands whatsoever. So why do I bring both of those things up?
Do you think that if there had been evidence of criminal wrongdoing that Biden's DOJ wouldn't have charged Trump in a heartbeat, they tried to bankrupt and imprison him for the rest of his life? Can I just add to this? I don't want to stop your flow.
They made up crimes to charge him with on other things. You don't think that they would love to nail him as a sex criminal? They would have killed MAGA as a movement in one fell swoop.
No, of course they didn't have anything on him. So again, Trump's DOJ charged Epstein. Biden's DOJ had these files private for four years. Not one Democrat said anything. I think you need to be smart. And I think you need to ask yourself, wait a minute.
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Chapter 5: What predictions are being made about Iran's future?
And there were a lot of people who went to his fancy parties. Is everybody who is in P. Diddy's orbit equally guilty? No, of course not. But what you're seeing with the Epstein thing is a lot of selective focusing of attention on Trump, on Lutnick, on irrespective of what the facts actually show. And I think this is what Trump was concerned about all along. And he was right.
All of that is true. I would add in the reason why a lot of people aren't being honest with you across a lot of media about this is because, much like in Me Too, if you speak out, a lot of people are afraid that they're going to become targets.
So there's a lot of people out there who agree with 100% of everything that Buck and I just said in media, and they won't tell it to you because they're afraid that suddenly everybody's going to target them. Much like in Me Too, I'll give you an example. The Matt Damon one was a good one. Remember when Matt Damon came out and said, hey...
You know, there's a big difference between grabbing some woman's butt at a party and rape. And we should keep in mind that every accusation in Me Too is not the same. And remember, he got ripped to shreds by people in Hollywood who said, oh, no, no, no. There is no difference. Like, wait a minute. The whole reason we have a criminal justice system is...
is because there is a difference between grabbing a girl's butt at a party and actual rape. And Matt Damon tried to say that in the middle of Me Too, and they ripped him to shreds for it. And a lot of other people just said, I'm not going to touch it because I'm not going to get targeted.
And we're entering moral panic phase now with the Epstein thing. I don't know what transparency even would mean at this point. I mean, there's millions of people. Have people wanting more transparency even read 10 of the files that have been released? I mean, that's another question here. But if you want more answers, that's I respect.
If you want to know how the DOJ screwed this up so badly the first time around, meaning the release of the documents, that was a total. And we called them out for that. It was a PR disaster. But there's a difference than a PR disaster and being a pedo protector. And I'm seeing people, at least ostensibly on the right, who are saying this about some of the top Trump people.
And I'm just like, we know some of these people. This is what I was trying to say. Even when there was all that heat. Remember there was all that heat on our friend Dan Bongino when he was doing this.
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Chapter 6: How does the political landscape affect the SAVE Act?
And we're like, no, guys, he's trying. I promise you he's trying. If you think Dan Bongino is protecting pedos, you're a moron. Okay? He's not. And I just have to speak honestly to people about this. If you think that's happening, you are in the midst of a manufactured delusion, okay? None day in 15 years, okay? Trust me.
It's like the last guy who's going to bend the knee on something like that when it comes to protecting kids. Crazy. And Trump. I start to lose with it.
No, but I think it's important. So the Clinton thing is going on. We'll open up phone lines. You can disagree with everything we just said. We are right. And I understand that the Trump administration has not been perfect. Pam Bondi, the biggest mishap of year one was Pam Bondi trying to answer questions about this. And there are lots of people in media who have tried to convince Trump
a lot of people, that there's some sort of pedophile ring that's running around and everything else. The evidence shows that there were a lot of rich guys that wanted access to 20-year-old models. I mean, that's like 90% of the women-related emails.
And that doesn't make you a bad, evil, criminal person. If you want to be with a 25-year-old Victoria's Secret model, you're like 90% of single guys in America, okay? Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that. You might think it's skeevy if you're a married guy or something. That's different. But, you know, we just need to have these distinctions. All right. I know. Take the calls. Let's go.
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Chapter 7: What are the potential outcomes of military action in Iran?
This is Hurley in Lincoln, Nebraska. Many different talkbacks on KFAB in Omaha.
Let's listen to Cut J. Before you guys waste another day talking about fluff that none of us can do anything about, get your listeners to call their senators and to call John Thune and to tell them to get the SAVE Act passed now. Do something that can actually save America for a change.
For a change.
I like that idea, except it still isn't going to happen because Thune's not going to do it because they're not going to get rid of the filibuster. They're not going to pass the SAVE Act.
I think the SAVE Act should be passed. I do, too.
Do you think there's any realistic prospect for it to be passed? Absolutely not.
They're not going to do away with it. Look, right now in the Senate, unless you can get 60 votes, nothing happens. And so unless you can get 60 votes, unless they do away with the filibuster, which they're not willing to do.
So that's what we'd have to we'd have to call Thune and say, Thune, get rid of the filibuster for the SAVE Act, because otherwise they'll just say with the filibuster, it's not happening. And so we go back to square one. Not to put a damper on things. I appreciate the gentleman's spirit, but you're saying do something we can actually do something about?
That doesn't really count for the SAVE Act, but we'll try.
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Chapter 8: What are the broader implications of U.S.-Iran relations?
Who are we covering up for? Who? I just want to know the name. And by the way, anyone who says, oh, but why won't you look into... Why won't the victims... The victims, in some cases, you sit here, you go, okay, well, victim of what exactly? Were you of age or were you underage? There's a big distinction that is made in law and should be made in the discourse about this as well.
Who violated any of the victims that we don't know about? They should tell us. If they're not willing to tell us, what are we supposed to make of that, Clay?
No, look, I do not know and have never met anyone that would cover up any sort of crime against a child. I haven't. I haven't ever met anyone that would do that in my own life. I don't know Pam Bondi personally. We do know President Trump pretty well, J.D. Vance pretty well, Marco Rubio pretty well, a lot of people in the Pete Hegseth, a lot of people in that administration.
They would crawl over broken glass. to prosecute people who are in any way engaging in crimes against children. Dan Bongino, Kash Patel, whoever you want to name there. So if you're alleging that there are child sex crimes that have occurred and people are being protected, then the people who are doing the protecting are also guilty of crimes. That's not true. That's not happening.
And I understand people get fired up because there has been, frankly, a lot of people who've made a lot of money arguing that there's a huge child sex ring and Jeffrey Epstein was leading it and all these famous people are involved, even with all these emails coming out.
What has been shown clearly is that Epstein used attractive women to engage in opportunities to build a network for business for his own benefit. I don't think there's any doubt about that. But what has not been shown is that there was some sort of illicit trade going on in underage women. Most of the women mentioned in any relation to Epstein were of age. And if they have evidence of crimes...
They have the ability to go forward and make their allegations publicly. Actually, they have the obligation. They have the obligation to do so. They have been paid, again, hundreds of millions of dollars in settlement money from the Epstein and from banks. People say, again, I want to reiterate, NDAs are not enforceable here. You're not going to see somebody lose whatever money they already got.
they have an obligation to speak and tell us who committed crimes against them or who they saw committing crimes, even if they weren't the actual victim. They won't do it. And so, again... What is actually going on here?
Democrats have recognized that they can attack President Trump over this, and they are going to attack President Trump all the way through the rest of the year because they believe they get political benefit from it. But I'm asking you to just think about it. Just rationally think about this for a minute. Trump's DOJ is who charged Jeffrey Epstein in 2019.
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