Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Welcome, it is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz. It is so nice to have you with us. And Senator, we've got a big show today. First off, Iran and President Trump speaking out in a very bold way.
Well, this week is momentous in that millions of Iranians continue to stand up and fight to overthrow the Ayatollah, to overthrow the mullahs, the radical Islamists who have dominated that country for five decades. And President Trump has come out unequivocally in support of the protesters. And just this week, he came out and said, it is time for a new government in Iran.
The Ayatollah needs to go. That is enormously consequential. We're going to break down why he said what he did, what it means and what's going to happen next.
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Chapter 2: What role does popular uprising play in the Iranian protests?
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All right, so, Senator, Sunday morning, I was watching CBS, like, Sunday morning, their show. It was Jane Polly. And they were reminding people that Tuesday is one year since President Trump will be in office. And they were talking about this, and they were also comparing it, saying that Donald Trump has gone so rogue on the world stage now. And they had a historian on to say, well, most—
countries don't make it to 250 years with a democracy and freedom. And so they were clearly implying that this is that 250 year anniversary and we probably won't make it there by July because Donald Trump's gone so rogue. And I laugh because I'm like, this guy is so clearly transparent and what he wants to do and what the voters told him to do.
Iran is another example that you don't have to guess. He has said what our stated mission is.
Well, I got to say, your first mistake is what on earth were you doing watching CBS this morning?
I was on Fox.
I was very bored. I was on Maria Bartiromo, but apparently I'm chopped liver, and so you weren't interested in watching me.
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Chapter 3: How does economic collapse contribute to Iran's instability?
I was watching the commies.
I wanted to know what the commies were peddling out there.
Look, you wanted to listen to commie historians lie and say democracy died the day the American people elected Donald Trump. By the way, they think democracy died any time the voters don't elect left wing radical Democrats. You know, it reminds me of Inigo Montoya and the Princess Bride when it comes to democracy. You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Like their definition of democracy is not what you actually would get looking in the dictionary, which is the people voting. And actually, pure democracy is the people voting and choosing the policies that will govern their country. We don't have a pure democracy. We have a republic. What is a republic? A republic is where the people vote to elect their representatives.
So the people are not voting on, should our top marginal tax rate be 36% or 50% or 10%. That would be direct democracy. But instead... We have, you could call it a democratic republic because it is a republic where democracy operates to elect our representatives. But when people use democracy, capital D, they usually mean that the voters get to decide. But that's not how Democrats use it.
That's not how the media use it. Instead, what they mean by democracy is, is socialists and Marxists are in power. And by the way, they're perfectly happy to ignore the voters if it keeps them in power. Let's focus on Iran for a moment. Because, listen, and we've talked about this on the pod in the last couple of weeks. I really do think we're in a momentous moment.
Unlike anything we have seen since the late 1980s, the early 1990s. We're in a moment where Where three of the most viciously anti-American regimes across the planet, Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba, in the next six months, we could see all three of those regimes fall. And we could also see free and fair elections in all three of them.
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Chapter 4: What are the differences between Trump's and Obama's policies on Iran?
And if that happens, I think there is a real possibility that they will elect, democratically elect, going back to big D democracy, the voters, I believe there's a real possibility, will elect leaders who will defend free markets, defend freedom, and critically, stop waging war on America and make the choice to be friends with America. If that happens...
It will be the most consequential change on the global stage since the fall of the Berlin Wall, since Ronald Reagan and America won the Cold War. And we did that without firing a shot. That changed the entire globe. And we could see in 2026 a change every bit as significant. Now, let me be clear. There are a thousand ways for things to go wrong in Iran, in Venezuela, in Cuba.
And what we do know for certainty is it will not be smooth and without challenges. We know that to an absolute certainty. Expect the unexpected. That being said... President Trump came out this week and he explicitly said it is time for a new government in Iran. He had never said that before throughout the first term, throughout this term until right now.
He had explicitly not gone so far as to embrace, quote, regime change. Now, Ben, you'll remember, what was it, six, seven months ago when I did Tucker Carlson's show, he started by peripatetically freaking out and saying, my God, Cruz, you're for regime change in Iran. And he had a heart attack and then he began laughing maniacally, which he does a lot.
Yeah.
The odd thing is, I think any rational American should want to see regime change. If you ask yourself... Is America better off if the leader of Iran is not a crazy religious nut, an Islamist radical who chants death to America?
who chants death to America, who murders and tortures his own people, who is the biggest funder of terrorism on planet Earth, who provides more than 90% of the funding to Hamas, who provides more than 90% of the funding to Hezbollah, who is responsible for killing hundreds, if not thousands of Americans.
Like, unequivocally, America would be better off if the Ayatollah was no longer the leader of Iran. Now... Part of the reason why the words regime change have a stigma connected to them is many remember the Iraq War. They remember the George W. Bush administration where regime change justified sending hundreds of thousands of American troops to spend years fighting in a distant war.
And they don't want to see that. And by the way, I don't want to see that. I think the Iraq War was a mistake. I have said that for a long, long time. So when I say I support regime change, it doesn't mean I want to send hundreds of thousands of American troops onto the ground in Iran. What it means is it is unequivocally in our interest to see the Ayatollah fall.
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Chapter 5: What strategies are proposed for deterrence without military occupation?
Don't think I won't do this.
Right. And look, you combine President Trump taking out the Iranian nuclear facilities and you combine it with the raid and arrest on Maduro. Two incredibly audacious national security steps massively improved the national security of America. Both were incredible successes. And in Iran, Israel's already taken out their air defenses. Their air defenses are essentially non-existent.
Now, anytime you engage in military action, there is a risk. I But Iran is in a markedly weakened position. And so that threat is consequential. I also hope and I believe, and I don't have any classified information on this, so I'm not revealing anything, but I hope and believe there's quite a bit that is happening under the surface that we're not seeing in terms of covert activities.
I hope we're doing everything humanly possible to help and support the protesters so that they can overthrow the government, not us, but them. But we can be contrasted to... What happened when Barack Obama was president? And I want to actually, I want to compare the two and give you that contrast.
So there was an article in Tablet Magazine several days ago, and it's called, Is This Time Different in Iran? It's by an author named Peter Thoreau. And here's what he said. I want to read this at some length because I think it's really quite interesting and profound.
In 2009, what shocked me about President Barack Obama's lack of support for the Green Movement protesters in Iran was the failure to launch of the commander-in-chief's colossal ego. Here were thousands of young Iranians filling the streets of Tehran to appeal to him, even with a wistful pun on his name. Obama, Obama Bashid, Obama, be with us.
Anyone in government at the time knew that the Chicagoan lacked nothing in the way of ruthlessness, though he tended to save it for Republicans of the non-Islamic variety. He applied the word enemy to to the GOP, but never to the mullahs. If righteous anger at the regime's murder of dissidents didn't meet the threshold for Chicago rules, I thought, surely vanity might do the job.
But opening to Iran had been an early theme of his presidency that same year, with a mushy Persian New Year message and a secret letter to Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, of whom he knew little. Quote, despite his title as Supreme Leader, Khamenei's authority wasn't absolute. Obama preposterously intoned in his memoir, A Promised Land, in 2020.
Quote, he had to confer with a powerful council of clerics, the Guardian's Council. Referring to the clerics, journalist Kareem Sajjapur observed that their average age is deceased. Obama continued. That's pretty funny. Obama continued, quote, My first impulse was to express strong support for the demonstrators, Obama records further in that memoir.
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Chapter 6: How has Iran's strategic weakness affected its regional influence?
The latter statement was ridiculous on its face as the demonstrators were openly pleading for outside support and from him specifically. He may have been ignorant about how Ronald Reagan's harsh anti-Moscow rhetoric boosted the morale of imprisoned dissidents like Natan Sharansky. But what of that national security team?
Obama does not name them, but his administration would become known for high-level sentimentalists towards Iran. Rob Malley, Samantha Power, Philip Gordon, Sahir Nawrazadeh, and the diplomatic weaklings who would negotiate the nuclear deal. So Obama issued a series of statements that he himself would describe as, quote, Actually, he was six years away from truly coddling it.
our cerebral leader lamented that as president, quote, my heart was now chained to strategic considerations and tactical analysis. My conviction subject to counterintuitive arguments that in the most powerful office on earth, I had less freedom to say what I meant and act on what I felt than I had as a senator.
In other words, what passed for his convictions were easily defeated by an America bad briefing from his subordinates. Now, It goes on to say, numbers are still inexact, but Tehran's thugs made about 4,000 arrests and killed hundreds to quell the 2009 demonstration.
The Green Movement's leaders were jailed, globally dissidents of all stripes, and even Madonna and U2 spoke out in favor of Iranian democracy. By the way, where are Madonna and U2 right now? That's an interesting question. Was it a bitter pill for a cool cat like Obama not to be in that club?
I suspect not, as he harbored some sentimentality towards the Islamic Republic, having stated in his first letter to its leader, as well as in his taped video message on the occasion of Nowruz, the Persian New Year, that he sought normalization with the state sponsor of terror, a long step beyond hoping for better relations with Iran someday, as you might do in a holiday greeting.
Senator, I just got to stop, and I do love the revisionist history from Barack Obama. He's like, hey, I wanted to stay with the people in Iran, but my team told me not to. So, therefore, that's why I didn't do it. Leaders lead. Like, straight up, leaders lead. You're at the front of the ship. You're in charge. It's supposed to be your foreign policy.
And then you look at what he actually did with Iran, and you understand – He was aiding and abetting and helping them stay on top in Iran. Like, let's just be clear. We sent them money.
Yeah, look, to understand, leaders lead. And by the way, Obama was leading. Obama was leading. There's practically not an Islamist on planet Earth that he didn't coddle, embrace, and send money to.
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Chapter 7: What internal fractures exist within the Iranian regime?
And so his claiming to be reluctant, I think, is a brazen lie. This is his ideology. And by the way, it came to full flower under the Biden White House. And I think the history for a lot of folks that may not remember what was happening, look, 2009 was 16, 17 years ago. It was a long time ago. Yeah. Let me jump forward because the question then is, OK, what's different now?
And let me jump forward to this article. I think it's a really insightful article. So, after two weeks of the largest nationwide demonstrations in Iran since the Islamic Revolution, what has changed and why? It has nothing to do with negotiating tables and lots to do with battle space.
First, let's note that this month's huge anti-regime demonstrations in more than 100 Iranian cities were not ignited by a single big domestic event like a blatantly stolen election or the murder of an innocent young woman. The Iranian Rial has been crashing past a million to the dollar. Let me say that again. Past one million to a dollar. That's their exchange rate for weeks.
And inflation reached the point where the Tehran Bazaar was losing money on every transaction. So it closed.
Something else. Every transaction. Just imagine having a store and everything you're selling, you're losing money on. How would you stay in business? That's why they closed down. It's incredible.
Because hyperinflation, if the value of the real falls day after day after day, you sell something for five million real. And then the next day, that five million real is worth a fraction of what it was worth the day before. That's why they closed. Something else drove the following events, such as the South Pars energy strike and reported military defections.
The battle space started shaping up six years ago this month under Trump, with the U.S. killing of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force Commander Qasem Soleimani, the second most powerful man in Iran, by U.S. drones at Baghdad Airport. He had just arrived from Damascus, where he was briefing former Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on a plan to attack the U.S. embassy in Baghdad.
as it had been done in Tehran in 1979. Iran's Iraqi cat's paw, Abu Madi al-Mahandis, and 10 senior Iranian briefers and bodyguards were also killed in the strike. After 20 years of Bush, Obama, and Biden kid gloves, Tehran was legitimately frightened.
And then, after the Tehran-directed atrocity against Israel in October 2023, Israel killed Yahasinwar, Muhammad Deef, Hasran Nasrallah, Ibrahim Akil, Hashim Safedine, and Ismail Haniya, at an IRGC safe house in Tehran, and almost 100 more in Lebanon and Gaza.
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Chapter 8: How does information control reflect the regime's fear of reform?
Then last summer, the Israeli and U.S. Air Forces wiped out much of the Iranian military's general staff and key nuclear sites. The pro-Tehran, Moscow and Beijing dominoes continue to fall with the capture of Nicolas Maduro, the massacre of his Cuban protection detail, the seizure of Russian ghost ships, and the spread of Starlink terminals in Iran.
Iranians have seen the regime and its backers exposed and humiliated by an American administration, and they were quick to exploit this roll of the dice. Unlike pro-Hamas nihilists from Berkeley to Dublin, they have hit their streets in millions without a single keffiyeh or aloha akbar. motivated by American successes against their regime and its feckless backers.
At the time of writing, the regime has turned off the Internet and all landlines, and Khamenei has emerged from a two-day silence to express defiance. This is no surprise to anyone who knows that Khamenei's greatest fear is moderation that causes the regime to bend and then break.
As expressed in Alex Votanka's The Battle of the Ayatollahs in Iran, Khamenei became obsessed with the prospect of an Iranian Gorbachev who would impose reforms and usher in a USSR-style collapse. the more so because this was addressed by Tom Friedman, a Jewish-American journalist, in a 1996 column titled Waiting for Ayatollah Gorbachev after he visited Iran.
That pressed all of the leader's buttons. Expect his defiance to continue as long as he is alive or in power, which may not be long. And listen to this, because he faces two threats. The one in front of him is the unpredictable Donald Trump, who has already shed Iranian blood and has promised to rescue the Iranian people.
The one behind him is the IRGC, which holds all the firepower in Iran and which knows, as Mohammad Ahmadinejad knew, that the mullahs are despised by nearly the entire population. They are unlikely to lay down their guns or give up the 40% of the Iranian economy they control. They are led by Ahmed Vahidi, an internationally sanctioned terrorist. Quote, terrorists are a**holes.
was a wise saying of one of my counterterrorist colleagues at the CIA. She didn't just mean that terror plots ruined our weekends and sleep schedules. She meant that terrorists are psychopathic, disloyal, and venal creatures who couldn't did mistreat each other and turn against each other. The top ranks of the IRGC are full of them. And this is the final point.
What might lead the IRGC to sideline or overthrow Khamenei and his weak president, Massoud Pesachkin? Two kinds of strike. An anti-regime blow from the United States or the labor variety that would shut down Iran's energy sector. If both occur, my money is on a coup. And goodbye, mullahs. And this is from Peter Thoreau, spent 20 years in the U.S. government and the CIA.
I got to say, look, I appreciated that article because it provides a level of context and detail.
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