Episode 341: Psychology Ranked (With Paul Bloom)
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What is the premise of the psychology tier‑ranking episode with Paul Bloom?
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Welcome to Very Bad Wizards. I'm Tamlar Summers from the University of Houston. Dave, all I'm hearing about these days is the hugging face incident and some guy who resigned from his job at Anthropic, and now all of a sudden Ezra Klein is writing columns. Dario from uh Anthropic is is writing manifestos. What happened and how is this affecting your P doom?
Well I I th I I can't summarize the hugging face incident 'cause I re I've been like I honestly have ignored I've tried to ignore what hugging face is. It's interesting. It's got like do you have the feeling that it's gotten to religious fervor right now?
Yes, but everybody's gonna be very mad at us for the I know,
I know. But look, look, I I'm not claiming I know. I'm just yeah. I'm just saying all I see on Twitter is people saying like you guys are all dumb for not believing this, you guys are all dumb for believing this, you guys have no arguments. No, you guys have no arguments.
Yeah. Well that's why we're devoting the whole episode today to go through uh all the details behind the hugging face incident, what it it may represent, uh and how it may have been misinterpreted. And we have three leading experts do it. No, none of that. But we do have a great uh show lined up today. Uh we had Paul Bloom on to Tierrank Psychology Thought Experiment.
No, no. Psychology experiments dude. It's like actually somebody actually did
them.
Uh in some cases, yeah. Uh it was a fun, uh but also very long uh conversation. So should we just leave it there and get to it?
Yeah, I mean, unless you want to share your pea doom, like are you afraid to share yours?
I I'll show you my pea doom if you show me yours. All right. Should we just get to the episode?
Yeah, let's do it.
All right, let's get to our main segment and we have our favorite guest returning, Paul Bloom. Welcome
back. I am thrilled to be back. It feels it always feels like it's been too long. I gotta say, I've been following your your Odyssey discussions, and uh it's I think it's amazing. It got me to read the book. I've been reading a bit of the book and rewarding myself with reading your uh podcast about it. So my my fanhood of anything has has sort of magnified over recent times.
That's so kind of you.
That's great to hear. Are you reading the Emily Wilson? Yeah. Because uh I I'm I'm in favor of women. Yeah. Did have you heard she's doing another one?
Yeah.
Yeah. I imagine her publishers must be have mixed feelings about this. But she's doing another one. Translating the same thing twice?
Well you know why. So in the first one she limited herself to the number of lines that were in the original. And then she didn't do that for her Iliad, and she liked the freedom of being able to add a few extra lines here and there. And so that's w sh that's all she's gonna do for the revised version, I think. Interesting. Is just release herself from that constraint. Still gonna be the iambic pentameter, it's still gonna be, you know, I think I think fairly concise compared to some of the other ones, especially Fagel's, but yeah.
Do you think she's gonna uh stick to her guns with the opening line?
Complicated man. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. At this point, changing
that
seems like she's gonna that would be that would be trolling or something. She has a book coming out about translation, which I think I'm gonna get. I I've listened to her a few times and she seems super smart and really engaging.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the premise of the psychology tier‑ranking episode with Paul Bloom?
0:00–10:17
2
How do the hosts evaluate the Milgram shock experiments for the S‑tier?
10:17–21:35
3
Why do the hosts consider the Linda (conjunction‑fallacy) study an A‑tier classic?
21:35–35:01
4
What arguments are made about Elizabeth Loftus’s false‑memory research and its ranking?
35:01–47:43
5
How is Paul Ekman’s basic‑emotions work assessed and placed in the B‑tier?
47:43–59:01
6
Why is the Invisible Gorilla inattentional‑blindness study promoted to the S‑tier?
59:01–1:11:07
7
What makes the Stroop effect a standout S‑tier experiment according to the panel?
1:11:07–1:25:17
8
How do the hosts treat the Dunning‑Kruger effect and why does it land in the C‑tier?
1:25:17–1:37:42
Speakers
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