Who is Cameron Esposito and what is her connection to Glennon and Abby?
Small, big adult. Yeah.
Right. Right. Yes. Okay.
But I think I'm Abby's height, but that's not true. And we found this out in a green room once. Because I had my arm around Abby and I turned, there was a mirror and I said, literally, I think I said, and we're the same size. I don't know why that was the summary of our hangout. We'd been hanging out before the show. I turned, I said, and we're the same size. I think I am...
Nine inches shorter than Abby.
You are. Cam, you are. You are. I hate to break this to you, but you're actually my size. But I've got big dog energy. Not that you don't. You do. You have big dog energy, which is why you feel like you look like a big dog. But what you really look like, Cameron, is a big gay adult. That's right. Big gay adult. But you started your life not as a big gay adult, but as a little gay kid. correct?
Yeah, absolutely. Okay. I'm so glad we're starting by talking about this because for me, you know, a lot of stuff that I've been thinking about recently is also as a little gay kid, but also like a gender non-conforming kid. Even when I wrote, because some of this is from Save Yourself, that qualification as a little gay kid. But I think a lot of what I was talking about was gender.
When I wrote this book, which was just a few years ago, that was not something that was on my mind the same way. I feel like When I came out 20 years ago, I was like, okay, well, first the word that I used was gay. And then eventually I was like lesbian. And then eventually I was like queer. And I still use all of those words.
But I think the other thing that was going on when I was a little kid is that there's something... going on with me that I notice and that other people have always noticed that is not quite a woman and also a woman. I feel like gender fluid is a word that's making sense to me right now, but a lot of what I was writing about when I was writing about being a little gay kid is
is that I was like Robin Hood for every Halloween. And I collected Kens. And I was only ever Joseph when my sisters and I were doing the nativity play. And when I was in fourth grade, I auditioned for the male lead of the school play. And my school called home to ask my parents what they wanted to do about this. Big problem. And my parents said, was she good?
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