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We Need To Talk with Paul C. Brunson

The Quiet Struggles We Carry Alone

14 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 2.456 Paul C. Brunson

Welcome to We're Talking.

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Chapter 2: What was the darkest period of Charlie Mackesy's life?

2.476 - 49.312 Paul C. Brunson

This Mental Health Awareness Week, we sit down with Charlie Maxey for a deeply honest conversation about anxiety, grief, and the quiet struggles we often carry alone. Charlie reflects on the moments that shaped him and why connection, not perfection, is what truly matters. Would you say that the darkest period of your life was happening while you were creating either this book or the first book?

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49.332 - 51.354 Paul C. Brunson

Was that the darkest period?

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Chapter 3: How does Charlie manage his anxiety?

51.374 - 56.9 Charlie Mackesy

I don't think it was. What was the darkest? If we could tap into... That they stay with me.

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57.26 - 57.44 Paul C. Brunson

Yes.

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57.5 - 59.282 Charlie Mackesy

I have memories that they're there.

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Chapter 4: What impact did Charlie's ADHD diagnosis have on him?

60.68 - 66.613 Charlie Mackesy

They're dark moments where, you know, things catch up with you. Things you've been running from.

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Chapter 5: How did drawing become an escape for Charlie?

66.633 - 70.08 Charlie Mackesy

And it causes this.

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73.988 - 74.79 Paul C. Brunson

What do I do with this?

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Chapter 6: What are the key ways to cope with grief?

77.977 - 79.38 Paul C. Brunson

What have you been running from?

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80.086 - 101.269 Charlie Mackesy

Well, I think, you know, there was some, like when I was a boy at that boarding school, there were some dark things that went on. And then losing friends and I think we all have periods which are extremely difficult and cause us to go into dark places.

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Chapter 7: Why is loneliness becoming an epidemic?

102.291 - 117.054 Charlie Mackesy

And we don't know what to do when we're in them. And sometimes I'm not even sure we actually recognize we're in them. We're just fighting to stick, to stay. And we eat cake or whatever it is that's helping.

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Chapter 8: How can we silence our inner critic and cultivate gratitude?

118.116 - 120.96 Charlie Mackesy

It's often in retrospect where you go, whoa, that was...

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120.94 - 146.56 Charlie Mackesy

that was hard or we're talking to a friend and we find ourselves talking fast and we start getting emotional tears pour and we don't even we didn't even know it was there no and i think a lot of our lives are spent with things going on that we're not hugely aware of you know or they can be real like cancer or whatever it is we're suffering that's obvious but there's other stuff

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146.54 - 176.497 Charlie Mackesy

that we're processing from long ago that's deep within us, deep. We all have it. And so I suppose I can't put a finger on it and say that was the darkest time of my life. But there have been times when I've been aware of it And it's caused me to seek help or caused me to question or need to process something. Um, and, and so I think I've drawn on those times.

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178.099 - 204.284 Charlie Mackesy

Um, and you know, and the return to love, you know, the moral says, where does it do? Where did your strength come from? When he reconnects from remembering, I am loved. Yes. It's, it's that. It's that notion of light, a notion of connection, a notion that in spite of everything, you're held, you're known, you're loved.

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205.166 - 210.759 Paul C. Brunson

Has that been the antidote? Has love been the antidote for your mental health?

210.939 - 240.334 Charlie Mackesy

Yeah, it's been a huge thing. that vulnerability and the act of it is like a window into a whole new world of existence and possibility and freedom that you can tell you can say this and it's the most courageous thing and it's just letting a door open and i used to be terrified of that door because what was what was going to happen if i dared open it like oh my

242.103 - 273.877 Charlie Mackesy

just keep it down and carry on stoically and wow you know and it's not easy and it's not immediate but it's this process of discovery that your your visceral root you brought humanness and humanity is incredible and universal Universal, like you're not this free, everybody, we're all, so just talk about it and connect.

274.098 - 291.28 Paul C. Brunson

And connect. Has that helped with, because I know anxiety is something that I've had challenges with for many years. I understand this is same for you. So how do you manage that? How do you manage your anxiety?

291.26 - 318.377 Charlie Mackesy

I, so I remember, I think I've had low level anxiety a lot and I've managed it for some, but now I think that it goes up a level sometimes and presents itself as what I thought I was dying. Like I thought my heart was going so fast and I was sort of holding onto the wall and like, what is this? And a friend of mine is a doctor and I called him. I said, I think, I think I might be dying.

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