We're Out of Time
How Alexandra Capelouto's Memory Became A Focal Point In California's Prop 36
Tue, 29 Apr 2025
🎙️ In this powerful episode of We're Out of Time, Richard Taite speaks with Matt Capelouto, a father turned activist, whose life was forever changed by the tragic loss of his daughter, Alexandra, to an accidental overdose.Matt shares heartfelt memories of Alexandra—her deep empathy, her dream of helping others, and the silent struggles she faced with emotional pain. Through his grief, Matt found a new purpose: fighting for change. His tireless advocacy has helped spark new legislation, holding drug dealers more accountable and protecting other families from similar heartbreak.💬 This isn’t just a conversation—it's an unflinching look at how mental health challenges and the opioid crisis are devastating young lives and families across the nation. It's a story of unimaginable loss, but also of courage, hope, and a father's mission to turn tragedy into transformation.🔔 Join us for an episode that will open your heart, challenge your perspective, and inspire action.👇 Tap in for links, resources, and more:🔗 All things Richard Taite, We're Out of Time, and Carrara Treatment Wellness & Spa:https://linktr.ee/richardtaite📧 Reach out to Matt Capelouto: https://stopdrughomicide.org/
Chapter 1: Who was Alexandra Capelouto?
Alex, she was very smart. She had an IQ that was off the chart. Keep in mind, she got into college on a full academic scholarship. She was very witty. She was so quick-witted. She would say everybody's special, not just her. So many people who turn to substances, I believe, are these deep empaths. She bore the weight of everybody else's problems on her shoulders.
She cared about other people more than herself. It led to her self-medicating to deal with this pain. I want to say this about my daughter. The day before she died, I had this conversation with her mom. Mom, I don't know what it is going to be, but God spoke to me and said I was going to save lives. She said, I have no idea what I'm going to do, but I'm going to save lives.
I would be foolish to believe that my daughter was his only victim. And for any person,
parent to think this cannot happen to their family to their kids they've simply forgotten what it's like to be a teenager it's not about me it's not about you it's about the lives that are going to be lost if we don't step up and do something now like you said we're out of time thank you for listening to the we're out of time podcast with richard tate if you haven't already please follow the podcast rate and review and if you're getting value out of we're out of time share it with someone else you know for fentanyl awareness day a special message from our new los angeles district attorney nathan hawkman
In the drug world today, there is almost nothing as powerful and lethal as fentanyl. It's 50 times stronger than heroin, 100 times stronger than morphine, and two milligrams, which is two grains of rice, can kill you in two minutes. This is not a minor threat, but an existential threat to our community.
In fact, it's the leading killer of people under 45 and six or seven unhoused people in Los Angeles County will die of a fentanyl overdose today and every day for the rest of this year. So we look at defense at all dealers, not as dealers, but as poisoners. And we will begin a massive enforcement effort to go after them.
But we're going to couple that with a massive education effort to get out in the middle schools and the high schools to let the students and parents know about the perils that fentanyl presents. Working together in partnership with law enforcement, with nonprofits, with parents who've gone through this tragedy is the only way we can hope to solve it.
Okay, today's Fentanyl Awareness Day. And what we're going to do for that is we're going to honor the families who have lost their loved ones to fentanyl. And the best way to do that is to introduce you to a gentleman by the name of Matt Capilouto. But I know him as Alexandra's dad. So... Welcome, Matt. How you doing, man? Thank you. Thank you for having me, Rich. Appreciate it.
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Chapter 2: What challenges did Alexandra face?
It's a big deal, huh? It is a big deal. I mean, I'm not crazy about having a day. Yeah. Okay? That seems kind of lame and, you know, gratuitous. Wish there wasn't a need for it. Well, I mean, every day should be Fentanyl Awareness Day. Tell me about Alexandra and what made her so special.
Wow.
She was very witty. Her sense of humor was uncanny. She was so quick-witted. I couldn't argue with my daughter because she would always have better comebacks than me. But she was... When she was a teenager, and we saw signs early on with cutting herself, she was diagnosed with what's called major depressive disorder. And she had suffered from clinical depression.
She had nothing to be depressed about. But she just, well, she bore the weight of everybody else's problems on her shoulders. And I listened to a podcast with you kind of explaining this, and it clicked with me. You guys are similar in this way. And so many people who turn to substances, I believe, are these deep empaths. And... It was tough because she cared about other people more than herself.
And ultimately, it led to her self-medicating to deal with this pain. And, you know, some of the specifics to her case were that we found out once it was being investigated. She was seeking Percocet. What's Percocet? It's a painkiller, right? She took this by herself before going to bed two nights before Christmas in 2019. It's not like she was out partying.
People put this stigma on those who use drugs that's completely unjust. I reflect back on my youth. And I said I never did drugs. But you know what? I did a lot of other stuff that was really shitty. And from an ethical standpoint, far worse than doing something that's going to harm myself. But yet for some reason, society puts such, you know, the stigma on people who use substances.
And it's unfair. The only thing my daughter is guilty of is hurting because she cared so much. Let me ask you a question.
Was she on psych medication?
She was prescribed psych medications for a period of time. And she got off of those. And we thought that was a good thing. Because those all along was she on them. Probably about a year. And she finally said, you know, I do not like the way these make me feel. Okay. And so we thought that was good.
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Chapter 3: How did fentanyl impact Alexandra's life?
Yeah. Multiple times she would say, I just want to feel normal. I just want to feel normal. You said the Percocet is a painkiller.
It's built for physical pain, but it works better on emotional pain. And the reason she was using that and why she would have continued to use that is because if that quiets the mind and you're telling yourself what a piece of garbage you are all day long, this is wrong with me, that's wrong with me, all this other stuff, and it quiets the mind, you're going to do that until the wheels fall off.
Was she scoring pills on the street prior to this? And if so, for how long?
You know, it's heartbreaking as her father to hear that. You know, you don't want to see any of your kids suffering. I believe Alex was introduced to opioids while away at college. She started hanging around kind of a bad... Group of kids. Yeah, I want to say bad. So we live in Temecula, Southern California, and she wanted to go to Arizona State University. She applied for a few colleges.
They gave her a full academic scholarship and we and she wanted to go away and just get away from everybody. Funny story real quick. She's a natural blonde. When she was going off to college, she dyed her hair brown. And we asked, why the heck did you do that? She said, mom, dad, I just want to have a new identity. And her mom spoke up. Well, you do realize nobody knows you there, right?
Sounds so funny. But I believe it was there at college. Somebody introduced her to opioids. And, you know, it was in her sophomore year that she was at home on Christmas break. And this blindsided us. She had spent the day of December 22nd all day Christmas shopping with her mom. And it was that night. She went to bed and we found her the next week. Is that the only pill you found?
That half a pill?
They found a bag with 10 other pills. So we don't know if she took half a pill or one pill and then...
wanted to get a little higher and then took another half i don't believe she would have had time to take another one and no maybe she took the other one first um my i doubt that um because i don't think she would have been all these pills they sent them out for laboratory testing they all contain uh very lethal amounts of fentanyl all of them all of them yeah and uh um
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Chapter 4: What is Alexandra's Law?
And that's why we need to focus heavily on education to stop people from taking these drugs before they even start. All right. So that's that is clear.
OK, that needs it needs to be hit on every level. OK, because that's how wars are fought. Right. It doesn't take a year to get off fentanyl. OK, depending on the length of usage and the amount of usage, it could take you a year to for your head to completely clear. OK, but it's rare, very rare. OK, this thing typically can be knocked out in 90 days.
okay, with a good aftercare program because it's like anything else. If you don't use it, you lose it, right? You walk out of a treatment center on fire, I'm good, I'm going to kill it, right? And then, you know, 90 days later, they're back where they were because, you know, you don't go through 40 hours of treatment a week and then just walk into nothing. That's not reality.
There's one thing I'll never know, right? But remember, you called me and didn't you want me to spend money on a billboard? Didn't you do that? Yes. Right?
And it was like 50 grand a month, right? I don't think it was quite that much. You could lose it zero there. Oh, it was 55 grand a month? Yeah. But we wanted to call out the senators that kept... Voting against Alexandra's law and not passing it through to the floor for a vote. And it was recommended to me that I do not do that since it was being adopted by Prop 36. Right. It passed in November.
Yes.
Do you remember the day? November 5th, 2024. November 5th, 2024. Excellent. Now... When did it start gaining traction? At the beginning of 2024? Was it a little before that? Because I remember in April, in April 2023, you had that huge setback. So when did it start where you said, okay, this now has a shot?
Well, keep in mind, despite the setback in 2023, we were getting a lot of support. We actually had the majority of our state Senate on board as co-authors of the bill. We just couldn't get it passed out of the public safety committee controlled by five senators because three of those five, actually four of those five, would not support it. So they couldn't
So we couldn't get it to the full floor for a vote. If we got it there, it would have passed. Do you know the names of the four people that didn't support it? So Scott Wiener represents a district in San Francisco. Stephen Bradford represents a district here in Los Angeles. Nancy Skinner represents an area near Berkeley. And Ayesha Wahab. Ayesha Wahab was the other. Wahab? Wahab. Wahab. Wahab.
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Chapter 5: How are drug dealers held accountable?
Who the hell goes through... three convictions of anything. 99% of cases settle.
Remember, this is California, but it was only then you get the option of mandated court, mandated treatment, or you're going behind bars. And we believe this is going to nudge more people to get treatment. Treatment sounds better than going behind bars. Well, treatment's always better, but here's the thing.
That's not going to make a big difference. And the reason it's not going to make a big difference is exactly what I told you. Okay. They're going to plead. Okay. So they're never going to be in that situation. Now, a lot of the times the pleading will result in that. Yes.
And keep in mind, another aspect of this is if you successfully complete the treatment, you can have the record expunged. Because we don't want this to hurt your heart. What the hell does successfully complete the treatment mean? Well, that's out of my realm of expertise.
So that's not in there yet. No, it is in there. Okay. So what does it say? What is the definition of completely completed their treatment? Well, I imagine, you know, if it's a number of steps.
So we don't have that spelled out in the law. It is spelled out.
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Chapter 6: What federal actions are being taken against fentanyl?
I don't know what that includes. So you'd have to read more in the details of Prop 13. I want you to send that. I don't want to put them on the screen. Because that's bull. And let me tell you, Walk, depending on how you define that, Okay. It doesn't mean anything. It's like saying, what is your success rate in a rehab? People ask me that all the time. I'm like, what criteria?
Because every single rehab uses a different criteria to serve them and make them look good. My definition is a year sober with regular testing every week. Okay, so that you know, you don't think you know, you know, you know, it's real, right? So a year sober, you know, six months in a rehab and six months in a sober living with outpatient. Okay, that to me sounds like, okay, you're good.
I would even say further, it might be an extra two years OK. Right. So if you fall in the next two years, it's not expunged. Right. So these are the types of things that I would be interested to know.
Sure. And, you know, I will tell you this. The people behind Prop 36, they have gotten experts involved and and and they have really taught people in the field working on this. But excellent. We'll see. But one of I'll be the judge of that if you don't mind. Yeah. Don't mind one bit. You should be on the panel advising them. Well, I wasn't asked.
Everybody thinks they're smarter than me, but that's fine. Well, maybe I can, you know, it's so, it's so, maybe I can do that introduction, but something else to fill in. We don't talk enough about the street level drug dealers driving this crisis. The dealer who sold to my daughter said, Weeks after knowing she was dead, reached out to his supplier to purchase more of these pills.
It took two years for him to finally be arrested. I would be foolish to believe that my daughter was his only victim. For sure. For sure. And we need to, you know, we talk about holding China accountable. My beliefs are, and the cartels, we are not going to stop these drugs from coming into our country. We've never been able to stop drugs from coming into our country.
And now we're talking about a drug that is fatal in microscopic dosages. We seal our border. It's going to come by boat. It's going to come by plane. It's going to be manufactured here. In addition to the robust education that we need in our school system to our youth, we need to hold these dealers accountable, these street-level dealers. But that's what this law just did. Absolutely.
But we still need law enforcement to make arrests so they get this admonished. Well, Nathan's not going to tolerate. Nathan's not. There are good DAs coming on board. But here's a statistic that I hope we improve on. Less than 2% of all drug deaths result in the conviction of a drug dealer. Less than 2% of these drug dealers should be getting away with murder.
But that goes back... That's not... That's illusory. Okay? It's illusory because... 98% or 99% are being settled out. They're not going to trial. They're not being arrested. You're saying they're not even being arrested? That's correct. Absolutely. You didn't say convicted. You said arrested. Arrested. Both. Both. 98% of the fentanyl dealers don't even get arrested. Absolutely.
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Chapter 7: How can parents protect their children from fentanyl?
But true or untrue, does there anything different happen to them if they leave the courtroom, they just got the admonishment, they're back the next day, but no one dies?
Did anything change? Under Prop 36, there are also new laws that have been enacted that come with harsher penalties for someone with multiple drug violations. So there is something. Yeah.
Okay. That's good. That's good news. Right. I was hoping there'd be something because, you know, you said to yourself that there's not investigating a ton of these things.
So, yeah, they still have to investigate. So it starts there. Law enforcement, you are correct in that nothing will happen if there's no investigation. And law enforcement has just widespread been slow to start investigating all these.
They'll start doing it now because now they have the support. Yeah. of knowing they're going to be convicted, right? Before they knew that it was a waste of their time. So why would they do it? I get it. And there's too many of their constituents who have now lost a loved one that are demanding it.
Now, let me tell you why there were so many people, okay, that stopped drinking and driving once the admonishment happened. Only five to 10% of the country rise to the level of drug addiction or alcoholism? Only about 10%. What does that mean? Well, there's the rest of us, the other 90% of us that have high bottoms. We're not dependent on it. We're not thinking about it all day, right?
So those people immediately, over half of those people are going to immediately go, ah, never again. Those are the rule followers among us. And the rest, to various degrees, are going to be compliant. So because of that and because it's in our consciousness from back of mind to front of mind, what happens is you're always going to have a huge positive result when you do something like that.
I think I might have said something earlier in the podcast to conflict that and I was wrong.
Well, you drive home a very good point with what you just said. There is an element of people that are going to have that weighing on them, on their conscience, and they are going to abide by it. Sure. I'll give you an example.
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