The $1 Trillion Bitcoin Loan Market Is Coming | Mauricio Di Bartolomeo
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How big could the Bitcoin‑backed loan market become?
We believe and we estimate that in the in not too long, five to ten years, there's gonna be a trillion dollars worth of Bitcoin back loans out there. We need to know where you're gonna get a trillion dollars. There's no balance sheet in the world that can cough up a trillion dollars. We were the first company to ever do this. It is the first time SP has ever rated a Bitcoin product, and it's the first time that it's given an investment grade rating to a Bitcoin product. This is the first true In my opinion, Bitcoin credit instrument. There is a maturity and there is a coupon and there is bankruptcy remoteness.
All right, Mal. Cheers, man. Cheers, man. Good to see you. Great to see you. Thank you for coming in for this.
Amen. My pleasure.
I've um I've got I listened to you on Natalie's show and you said people don't wake up in the morning and think today's a good day for a loan. That's not true. About two months ago when Bitcoin price crashed, I woke up, looked at it and went, Today's a good day for a loan.
That's fair. And I'm I didn't mean that to be sort of like a an absolute statement. Like there are times in the market where you see something you like, an asset comes by and you're like, that's the day. Yeah. But it's it's usually driven because of an opportunity that lands on your lap or it's not something that, you know, you just take for the sake of having it. You you take a loan to deploy it typically, right? Like most people don't borrow to keep the money.
Yeah.
you know, borrowed. Um, but that that's more so what I've met. But yes, to your point, like we are, and this is I know sounds a little bit counterintuitive to some people, but we are seeing a big pickup in first-time loan uh first-time borrowers right now because a lot of people feel much more comfortable borrowing at 60 versus 120. Yeah, because then they're sizing the potential risk of a drawdown. I've done I've
done basically both of those. I borrowed above a hundred K last year at some point and uh that one had to be topped up a couple of times.
And then and this is a good segue, which is like The price at which you borrow is shouldn't almost shouldn't matter because you should be planning appropriately, regardless of the whatever price you're in, right? Like if you're a one twenty uh and you think we're going to sixty, like you wanna have enough Bitcoin to withstand that. If you think we're going to forty, even from one twenty, you should have enough Bitcoin to withstand that. Yeah. So We to me that's the biggest Determinant of whether a person has a great outcome or a person gets caught off guard is how much time do you spend planning, sizing up the loan, how many diligence questions you ask? And there's like a direct correlation between the people that are diligent and plan and ask questions.
And do like, you know, take out the loan and they they keep until they want to and they never get liquidated. And these are the people that you know, have great experiences. And then there's also there's there's cases at times where life also happens, right? Like you may have had that budget, but something else happened and you had to use some of that budget. And then all of a sudden it caught you off guard. Um or it caught you traveling and you didn't set up auto top up. Um right. Like that's happened. Um and so Didn't that
happen when
we were in Sydney? Wh which one?
Did it did it not happen with you while you were travelling?
For me, for my own loan? Yeah. I'm well, it's happened to me in the it's happened to me before. Like, you know, m every m like not every member, I wanna say I don't know about every member, but like Definitely I wouldn't have to do it. No,
sorry, I got it totally wrong. It was happened to me while we were in Sydney together. Yes. Um because I had I was getting emails and I was like, we were
we were having we were sitting having that drink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember now. And you're like, damn. Uh but that happens, right? And that that's why we built Autotop Up. And Like I said, you know that saved me. Like things and it saved a ton of people.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
How big could the Bitcoin‑backed loan market become?
0:02–10:31
2
What does Ledn’s $188 million Bitcoin loan securitisation mean for investors?
10:31–21:55
3
How does the Auto‑Top‑Up feature protect borrowers from unexpected liquidations?
21:55–33:06
4
What are partial liquidations and how will they change loan risk management?
33:06–44:59
5
Why are “no‑liquidation” loans considered risky and how can borrowers avoid hidden pitfalls?
44:59–57:04
6
How will Tether Gold token enable hybrid Bitcoin‑and‑gold collateral loans?
57:04–1:06:21
7
What impact did the fall of Maduro and the La Guaira earthquake have on Venezuela’s rebuilding outlook?
1:06:21–1:16:32
8
What practical steps should borrowers take to plan, hedge and protect their Bitcoin‑backed loans?
1:16:32–1:16:35
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