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Chapter 1: What significant changes has Evaristo Salas Jr. experienced since his release?
I've done more in the last seven months than I've done in my entire life.
Hello and welcome back to One Minute Remaining. My name is Jack Lawrence, the host and creator of this show. This is part two of my chat with Evaristo Salas Jr., almost eight months after being released and exonerated for a crime he didn't commit. Jr. wasted absolutely no time after his release and has hit the ground running, which includes getting himself back into school.
college, you know, it's been, it's been something too, because I'm taking a criminal justice class. There's people in there that recognize me. And then they want us to do a bio on our life. And so, you know, I had to, it was funny because I, well, one of the classes was that social work class.
And for whatever reason, the teacher kept looking at me and saying, because we're the two oldest in the class. I was one of the oldest in the class. And I mean, so she was like, so what did you, what did you do on 9-11? She asked the question to everybody, and then she goes, oh, hold on, hold on. Who was alive at 9-11? Me and one other person was the only one that raised their hand.
And then she goes, how about you? And he was like, oh, I was one year old. And she goes, oh, you don't count. And then she goes, where were you at 9-11? And I was like, I was in prison. And then she goes, oh, we're going to talk about it. I said, yeah, no problem. We can talk about that, you know?
And then everybody was kind of, I heard like a giggle, like they maybe thought I was lying or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, like, it was like 15 minutes later, she goes, well, let me ask another question. Does everybody remember what they had during COVID? And she looks at me again and she says, what were you at during COVID? I said, I was in prison. And I go, hold up. I got to tell you.
I got to tell you what's going on. Why do you think that?
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Chapter 2: How is Evaristo adapting to college life after incarceration?
I've just been getting in trouble and all this stuff. And they were all moved by that. And then one or two of them in there was like, yeah, I've seen your documentary. The other class, the criminal justice one, he actually posted it after I kind of.
revealer i did that bio myself he was like he was really moved by it and he posted it and so it's posted on there right now my criminal justice one too because that's what we're talking about we're talking about the courts everything that i've been because that's what we're talking about he's like and i'm He calls on me all the time, like, so what do you think about this? You were part of that.
So why don't you share your story with everybody?
Yeah, I mean, you'd be a wealth of knowledge for that entire class because you've lived and breathed the entire thing.
Yeah. Amazing. Yeah, and what's crazy is still this last, so we just had to do a paper, Curtis Flowers, which was in the documentary that I was in, the same documentary. Yeah. And so that's another strange thing. It's a coincidence that it's in a book we have. And so I was actually reading this case yesterday or the day before because I finished the paper.
The strange thing is you think that you have it bad. I thought I had it bad. You know, when I read some of these other cases, I think, my God, this guy was on death row. And then there's other cases that I read and it was like, it really puts things in perspective. You know, it's like, wow, this is, you know, this is horrible, you know.
And mine was bad, but then you look at this, this was really bad. Well, that one was really bad. Then you realize they're all bad. Yeah. There's none of them, right? No. So, but yeah, it's been, the college life has been, I like it. I really enjoy it. Today, I actually went to their library for the first time, which was amazingly big library.
Had my little school ID card, pulled it out, checked out a book. It's strange because I'm so used to, this is one of the strange things that I'm getting used to out here, being out in the free world is, In those places like the college, everybody's so nice, so willing to help you. In prison, you ask anything to an officer and they have an attitude, what do you want this?
It's always this kind of, you know, like there's this pushback.
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Chapter 3: What insights does Evaristo share about his prison experiences during class discussions?
And we know that you spent some time angry. Of course you did. But for you, you changed, obviously, and you had that moment. You went, I can't allow this to take over my life. And I think, as you said, that's how, on the outside, you've just basically just taken to it like a duck to water and just got on with your life, and you're going 100 miles.
Well, I mean, the analogy you use is great, too, the Sean Shea redemption analogy, because that's one of my favorite movies. And actually, that movie is kind of the ā I think I watched it for the first time, and I think it was in 2000, 1999, around that time. And what actually kind of got me the idea of writing letters was Andy Dufresne, you know, pursuit of trying to get that library.
Oh, really?
That was kind of the, I was like, well, maybe that would work, you know, if I just wrote letters and bugged the hell out of these people and just annoyed them until they just finally said, ah, we'll give him something. And I always thought about that movie so much because he captures it in that movie so well when he says, you know, it's a fight between the two.
And I remember the moment when he's arguing kind of with Red. Red's telling him hope is a dangerous thing. And he says, you need to get used to that. I always thought about that because you're going to be one of those two guys in prison. You're either going to be Red or you're going to be Andy. You're going to either try to adjust so much where you just accept the fact that there is no hope.
There's nothing. This is where you live. And your mind gets locked into that kind of prison mentality. Or you're going to be like Andy. You're going to bump the system everywhere you go. And you're going to sit there and say, there's other things out there that this isn't real, this isn't life. And you're going to maintain that hope.
And that's going to be the difference between how you, what affects you when you get out. And so I took the view, you know, that Andy took, that hope is a good thing. And that I was going to accept whatever came next. Was it a struggle to have that kind of hope? It was because, as in that movie, there's everything pushing against him. Even the people that are closest to him.
The tide comes in Pulls some sand back
You know, and it was the same thing with me. There was family members that had given up hope a long time ago. And even my fiance struggled with it. And, you know, my fiance grew up in a Dutch world where they're logical and everything the way they look at it. You know, yes, there's a spiritual side, but it's like, this is what we see, that's all there is. And me, I could see
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Chapter 4: How does Evaristo's perspective on hope influence his life after prison?
It was just always, whenever something was thrown at me, it was like, I'll find a way to do this or do that. And what's strange about that is you don't see that mentality out here. You see it completely different. It seems to me, I'm not saying that it was easy because there were struggles, but it's not as hard as most people kind of say it is, even with my family that are around me.
It just requires a certain amount of determination. And I guess that stems from being in a place where the wall is pretty big. To get over that wall takes sometimes years. And when you dealt with that kind of struggle over and over, you come out here and everything's just a speed bump compared to the wall.
People come and people go so it's all their shit. But when you're young you think that some are invincible The cycle Begins Have you caught up with anyone that you were incarcerated with?
Are you still in touch with anyone that you spent time in prison with?
Yeah, actually, I'm going to touch with a few of them. I actually got a hold of, I think it was a reentry specialist out of Olympia. They got a hold of me, actually. And we kind of set it up where I can actually go back to the prison and speak or the prison I was in for eight years at Erwin Hines.
If I go back there and actually teach or facilitate one of the classes I used to teach already, which is redemption.
Yeah.
they're open to it. They say, yeah, you know, just, uh, but there, I know, so I know that all the higher ups at Arrow Heights, I know all the associate superintendents, um, the, the CUS because I work with all them building, uh, the classes within there.
Yeah.
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