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What I survived

On Fire: The Jamie Hull Story p1

05 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What inspired Jamie Hull to pursue flying?

3.254 - 31.692 Jack Laurence

They say learning to fly isn't just one of the most difficult things a person can do. It's also one of the most freeing. The experience of piloting a plane solo, thousands of feet in the air, looking down on the world below, is like nothing else. And that was a dream for Jamie Hull. One that he'd carried since childhood. And one he would later work hard to make a reality.

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33.157 - 42.329 Jack Laurence

But the dream that so many people chase each year, that feeling of total freedom above the clouds, would very quickly become Jamie's living nightmare.

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42.949 - 54.704 Jamie Hull

I noticed my first alert, if you were looking at a left-hand canopy window, saw a thin streak of visible yellow-orange flame. I'd looked and looked again. I thought, shit, this is what I think it is. I've got to get this aircraft down.

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54.844 - 62.674 Jack Laurence

Thousands of feet above the ground on a solo training flight, Jamie was facing quite possibly the worst-case scenario imaginable.

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62.806 - 70.315 Jamie Hull

The only option I had was to try to shut the aircraft down, steer it in and then set myself up for exit, which is exactly what I did next.

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His small plane had caught fire and it was now a race against time to get back on the ground, not just safely, but alive.

80.807 - 89.637 Jamie Hull

As it breached, as I turned into wind, I looked down at my feet on the rudder pedal and I could see the flames starting to lap around my feet and my ankles.

90.478 - 95.81 Jack Laurence

Jamie would survive that fire. But the real fight had only just begun.

96.251 - 105.504 Jamie Hull

There was a switch in my mind, you know, cognitively speaking. It went from like abject anger to the most hideous grief imaginable.

Chapter 2: What happened during Jamie's solo training flight?

237.949 - 244.119 Jack Laurence

And again, his thirst for adventure and something a little more fast-paced would lead him to a career in policing.

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245.021 - 268.998 Jamie Hull

I joined a unit, a group called the Thames Valley Police, which occupies the west side of London, predominantly. And that was me screaming around the sort of force area, lights and sirens, you know, 24-7 on a rotational shift pattern. And I did that for a good few years in my sort of early 20s when I got back from my backpacking. Never necessarily planned to do it.

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269.018 - 289.895 Jamie Hull

It was just something that felt right at the time. And I was chasing my tail, it felt like, you know, responding to emergency calls all over that force area eventually. And I specialised as a medic. It's just typically sort of fast and furious and you're dealing with all sorts that come in in the door, particularly in an urbanised kind of city, kind of built up environment. So that was me.

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And that's what I did in my younger years. That was my initial career.

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After a few years working in the police, Jamie felt drawn again to do more exploring. The backpacking had given him a taste for more adventure, and so he takes a sabbatical from the police and heads off overseas yet again to work as a diving instructor.

308.18 - 329.029 Jamie Hull

And I went to work in the Caribbean, I went to work in Egypt, all over Egypt and the Red Sea. I went to work on a big expo in the Philippines, very remote, in the middle of the South China Sea. And then, you know, that journey took me far and wide, sort of Thailand, but I've since kind of like dived all over the world, including...

329.498 - 351.205 Jamie Hull

as far north as the Arctic Circle and in much more tropical locations as far as Malaysia, Truk Lagoon in Micronesia and other parts of the Pacific. The world is what you make it. The world is your oyster, so to speak, but it takes a bit of effort and you've got to get out there. And I did a lot of that in my younger years. So that was the journey. But then I came back, right?

351.365 - 371.793 Jamie Hull

I did a lot of this dive travel when I was younger on the sabbatical. And then I actually went off to university. And that was quite late on because I figured, well, now might be a good chance to kind of consider, you know, utilizing the sabbatical for perhaps more academic purposes and boost my education and so on. I thought maybe the degree will be handy one day and so on.

372.134 - 393.728 Jamie Hull

That was kind of the thinking. And then when I went to university, I ended up joining, I did a sort of a full-on languages program for about four years and ended up in Norway in my second year, working in the mountains. It was all quite random and remote work that I was doing there. But the joy of it was for me, and the way the story goes, that was when I joined the army.

Chapter 3: How did Jamie manage to escape from the burning cockpit?

477.425 - 493.981 Jamie Hull

And he said, you do drill nights. And that's all we ask of you, you know, turn up on a drill night on a Wednesday night. And then you do the weekends. And he said, you don't always have to turn up to everything. You just do what you can outside of your sort of scheduled study. Anyway, this sounded too good to be true. And I guess I was quite a motivated student.

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494.001 - 509.559 Jamie Hull

Remember, I'd already done professional work as a diver, professional work as a police officer. So I was kind of used to, you know, if the alarm goes off, I've got to get up, right? But I just loved it. I just thought it was really social. I loved what the army had to offer. I loved the discipline.

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511.002 - 525.184 Jack Laurence

And that was it. In many ways, it was everything he'd been looking for. Something where he could get his hands dirty, achieve, push himself, and come away feeling accomplished. And so he threw himself into it. Feet first.

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536.302 - 556.965 Jamie Hull

And then literally by the end of the first year, I'd done the equivalent of a Green Army soldier basic training as my first year for a university officer training corps with Cambridge. So it was a wonderful experience. And again, I was only like mid-20s. I was 25 at the time when I joined. And I just thought it was an amazing opportunity. And then in year two, I was in Norway.

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557.025 - 580.276 Jamie Hull

So I kind of had to kind of step aside from it because my languages program and the degree took me there. But year three, I came back and I just ploughed. My heart and soul into it again. And then literally, I kid you not, but by the end of year three, because I was an exceptionally motivated officer cadet, I had already done by then two Cambrian patrols.

581.037 - 585.664 Jamie Hull

These are elite patrolling competitions hosted by the British Army.

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Now, to understand the kind of person Jamie was becoming, you need to understand what the Cambrian Patrol is. It's an annual military exercise run by the British Army, widely considered the toughest patrolling test in NATO.

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Eight-person teams are dropped into the rugged mountains of mid Wales and have just 48 hours to cover roughly 40 miles of some of the most punishing terrain on earth, carrying up to 70 pounds of kit on their backs. To give you some idea of what sort of conditions they're dealing with, Wales is the training ground for the famed SAS.

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Along the way, they face simulated enemy attacks, medical emergencies, water crossings and basically no sleep. It has been held every year since 1959 and soldiers come from more than 30 countries to take part. Finishing it at all is considered an achievement. Finishing it with a gold medal puts you in an elite category altogether. This was the world Jamie was moving in.

Chapter 4: What were the immediate consequences of Jamie's plane crash?

682.723 - 698.718 Jamie Hull

And I just, something in me, like, just switched on. And I thought, you know what, this is a piece of me, this is. And for some reason, as kind of perversely sort of sickening the torture of it all was, you know, the pain and suffering of these patrol competitions.

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You'd finish it, you know, feet blistered, back was covered in sores, your skin was like, was in shit state because of what you put yourself through. You're malnourished, sleep deprived. A week later, you'd forget about all the pain. You'd heal, you'd recover. And then I wanted more. And that's why I kept coming back for more, whether it was the next kind of

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Big event, whether it was another Cambrian, like I mentioned. So I guess it's no surprise by the end of year three, I volunteered as an officer cadet, this was, to put myself through the very arduous P Company.

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Known formally as Pegasus Company or simply PCOY, it is the British Army's pre-parachute selection course and a mandatory gateway for anyone who wants to serve with a parachute regiment. It's widely considered one of the toughest selection processes in any military on Earth. The course builds to a brutal test week. Eight events in five days.

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Candidates face a log race, carrying a telegraph pole with seven others across nearly two miles of rough terrain. A steeplechase, a timed cross-country run through water obstacles done in boots and a helmet. An assault course built 60 feet off the ground, specifically designed to confront the fear of heights. And then there's milling.

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60 seconds in a boxing ring where the only rule is that you keep moving forward. Judges aren't looking for skill. They're looking for controlled aggression and the refusal to stop. The whole thing ends with a 20 mile march with full pack to be completed in under four hours. Those who make it through earn the right to wear what is known as the maroon beret, the symbol of the British paratrooper.

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And Jamie was taking this on as his next challenge. Chapter 2. I got away with that stunt by the skin of my teeth.

827.745 - 850.493 Jamie Hull

My hat goes off to any paratroopers out there because historically that in itself goes back to World War II. And it's designed to select the teeth arm of British forces. So the guys that they were going to put in first during World War II to take on the brunt of the fight, wherever they needed to put those guys. And they still do to this.

850.513 - 871.726 Jamie Hull

If they need to put in the teeth arm of the combat force, if you will, that's the frontline fighting force of the armed forces in general or the British army, they put in the paras. And the reason they know that they're going to just not even hesitate, they just don't hesitate because of the way that selection is geared up to select those guys.

Chapter 5: How did Jamie's past experiences prepare him for this crisis?

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by the skin of my teeth. And by the end of it, I was a mess. I mean, I was concussed from the recent milling, which is like the boxing event that I'd done.

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Yeah.

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940.687 - 950.987 Jamie Hull

And I felt heavily concussed. I think my opponent was complaining of a broken rib, but that's the nature of the beast. Yeah, just a horrible event. It teaches you a lot about character.

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It kind of feels like, eerily, this is all really setting you up to be utterly prepared for what would happen to you later down the track, putting yourself through extreme situations where you have to keep thinking on your feet. Even the officer training of making decisions in tough situations, all of these bits and pieces, even down to how healthy and fit you were,

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975.862 - 998.781 Jamie Hull

In a nutshell, when I look at my early life, that was exactly what it was. It was, it felt like I had so much fight in me, not just those army years, but even if I turn the clock back as a kid, I had a strong fight as a kid because my, it's no sob story this, and I've said this many times in various conversations, but youth got cut short because my parents separated about the age of 12 I was.

999.267 - 1015.707 Jamie Hull

And so my mum actually moved away at the time, but I chose to live with my father for that period because I was closer to school and it was just going to be easier and didn't want that change. The downside was my youth was cut relatively short and I had to largely kind of get on with it, pull my socks up and...

1015.687 - 1034.733 Jamie Hull

And, you know, there I was kind of getting home from school and having to do domestic work, you know, hoovering, dusting and cleaning the house and kind of making dinner and helping prepare some meal time for my younger brother. My younger brother was always with me. He was 10. So, of course, from a young age, I had more fight than sort of fun, if you know what I mean.

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Everything about me in all of my work days was about hard graft, perseverance and sort of pedal to the metal.

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Right.

Chapter 6: What physical and mental challenges did Jamie face after the crash?

1252.156 - 1275.463 Jamie Hull

And then I'm operating in the pattern again in the afternoon. So just flying a small sort of rectangular pattern within that local Florida airspace. And my engine flared up externally. I noticed my first alert, if you were looking at left-hand canopy window, saw a thin streak of visible yellow-orange flame. I'd looked and looked again. I thought, shit, this is what I think it is.

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I've got to get this aircraft down.

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1281.687 - 1304.513 Jack Laurence

To understand exactly what Jamie is currently facing in that moment, you need to understand where an engine fire sits on the scale of things that can go wrong when you're alone in a small plane thousands of feet above the ground. Well, it sits at the very top. Pilots train for engine failures. They train for instrument malfunctions. They train for bad weather. These are emergencies, serious ones.

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But they are emergencies where time is generally on your side. An engine fire is different. Fire does not wait. It does not plateau. Left unchecked, it can burn through the engine casing, through the firewall and into the cockpit itself. Even worse, into the fuel lines and the wing. When that happens, the aircraft does not just fail, it comes apart.

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And unlike a large commercial jet, Jamie's small training aircraft had none of the sophisticated fire detection systems on board, no suppression equipment that the airline pilots usually rely on. He simply looked out the window and saw his engine on fire and immediately jumps into action. Little did he know, but his years of hard physical and mental tests were about to save his life. Barely.

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And as I made my final turn into wind now towards the active runway below, but in the distance, the fire breached the cockpit internally.

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Deary me.

1370.063 - 1377.997 Jamie Hull

And I'm really having to think on my feet. My mind is racing initially and there's a little bit of initial panic going on. And I'm descending, descending.

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Could you see anything with the flames in the cockpit now?

Chapter 7: How did Jamie's military training influence his survival instincts?

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The adrenal glands, two small organs that sit above the kidneys, flooded his bloodstream with adrenaline. And what adrenaline does to the human body under extreme threat is nothing short of extraordinary. It sharpens your focus. It accelerates decision-making. It increases blood flow to the brain and muscles. It dilutes the pupils to sharpen vision.

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And critically, especially in this situation, it can dramatically suppress the sensation of pain. Adrenaline can transiently reduce the sensation of pain by inhibiting signaling pathways, intercepting and blocking pain signals traveling through the brain and spinal cord, while a flood of endorphins act as a natural painkiller.

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It is the same biological mechanism that allows a person to carry someone out of a burning building, lift a car off someone who's crushed, or keep running on a broken leg. The brain, in effect, makes the decision. Pain is a distraction that we cannot afford right now. And so Jamie's body, trained by years of military selection and physical endurance, made a decision all on its own.

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It went to work. I mean, was the adrenaline so much that you weren't sort of feeling any pain?

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1650.51 - 1672.313 Jamie Hull

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I did feel kind of the heat most definitely, but I didn't really feel pain. My lower limbs, I should have been feeling pain because my lower, my shin area got burned tremendously. I mean, it was down to the bone. It was fourth degree on both legs. So my tibia bone, that's the shin bone, was exposed from depth of burn. And if you like the severity of burn,

1672.698 - 1702.643 Jamie Hull

so much so that both tibia bone was exposed on both sides. Now that tells you that my shins took an absolute battering. The upper body, so face, neck, scalp was still burned, but not so bad. It was bad on one side, but not so hideously burned as the lower limb. My rationale on this is that I was in such a desperate situation, firing the cockpit at altitude, that there was nowhere to go.

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The only option I had was to try to steer the aircraft in, shut the aircraft down, steer it in, and then set myself up for exit, which is exactly what I did next. So having shut the aircraft down, I removed the headset, threw it in the opposite footwell, opened the left-hand canopy door, and unbuckled my harness.

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And then I was able to clamber onto the seat, very low level, having judged it purely by eye, so hand-eye coordination, if you will, and then watch the altitude as I'm coming in just by good old-fashioned mark one eyeball to study, you know, distance from height above ground, in other words.

1741.387 - 1754.646 Jamie Hull

So as I'm still dropping, you know, 200 feet, 100 feet, 50 feet, 40 feet, 30 feet, 20 feet, I was like Jack Rabbit. At 20 feet, I knew that was me. Onto the seat, it was my only chance.

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