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Chapter 1: Who is Chad Hauer and why is he wanted?
Chad Hauer is a wanted man. He lives on the island of St Kitts in the Caribbean. And before you panic and think I've just blown his cover, the FBI are well aware of where he is. And in fact, he says that someone from the US government one day showed up at his front door to try and take his son back to the United States. This was all while he was being detained in a Bulgarian prison.
What was that like?
What was that like being shipped off to a Bulgarian prison?
Oh, it sucked. There were cockroaches like crazy. We couldn't sleep because the cockroaches crawled all over us.
My name's Jack Lawrence. Welcome to Wanted.
I'm a wanderer of the soul Before the end I plan to be whole But I know I'll lose myself along the way What's gone is gone. What's past is past. Let me leave the belongs in the past.
Chad's being detained by Bulgarian authorities, who are acting on an Interpol red notice sparked by Chad being placed on the FBI's wanted list, accused of kidnapping his own son. And as soon as he's detained, he ends up meeting with someone from the U.S. Embassy.
So the first contact I had was even before I was in Bulgarian prison on the very first day when they arrested me, they were holding me and I wasn't even arrested yet, but they had me in the police station. And I mean, I couldn't get out of the police station. So I was detained at that point.
And one of the first questions they asked me was, do you want us to call the U S embassy and see if they'll give you any assistance? And I flat out told them, no, because the U.S. Embassy is the reason I'm here. I said, they're not going to help me. And I have dealt with a lot of U.S. embassies around the world for renewing my passport, my wife's visa and things.
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Chapter 2: What happened during Chad's arrest in Bulgaria?
They're not. So I had dealt with a lot of these embassies before, and I just knew they were going to have their after me. They came to me maybe three or four hours later and said, the U.S. embassy is here to see you. And I'm like, I mean, I told you not to call them. I have nothing to say to them. And she says, well, just go talk to them.
So I'm like, OK, we go to the police chief's office and in the police chief's office is a dude from the U.S. embassy. Now, he was I can look at his job title, but I believe he was an RSO, a regional security service officer. And they use these people commonly within the embassies. He's got a background in intelligence and interrogation and that kind of stuff.
He has a background in degrees and that sort of thing. But the guy wasn't the brightest guy in the world. He says, can we ask you some questions? And I said, well, I'm, you know, I don't have a lawyer here, but I'll talk on some very limited subjects. And he started asking me questions like, you know, where's the child at? And I said, I'm... I'm not going to tell you right now.
It's not relevant and so forth. And he would ask me a series of questions and he'd come back to, where is the child? And he just kept always bouncing back. This is like interrogation 101. Just keep repeating the questions and try and surprise them. You get them calm and then you stab them back and see if they'll slip up. And at one point he goes, is he with your parents in Tennessee?
Well, that's what I knew. I mean, I suspected he was full of crap, but now I knew he was utterly full of crap. My parents have never lived in Tennessee. My dad's dead.
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Chapter 3: How did Chad experience life in a Bulgarian prison?
So at that point, I was like, okay. And the thing is, when he came in, he hit a manila folder that was about an inch thick, and it was full of papers, right? Now, mind you, this dude has shown up, like, within two or three hours of me being detained, okay? So he's had almost no notice of who I am or what I am or anything. He got this thick file folder, so...
So I'm to believe that within two or three hours, he has an inch thick folder on me. I mean, the embassy, what he said, he ran us through a jet printer or the embassy's had this file on me just waiting for me to show up in Bulgaria.
Eventually, after getting nowhere, the U.S. embassy employee gets up and leaves. Not long after that, another employee would arrive.
And anyway, so she came in, she says, hi, you know, I'm Deborah and I'm sponsor services. And the funny thing is when she came in, I didn't know if she was trying to play good cop to Woody's bad cop. So she was pretty friendly. She brought me a list of lawyers and. um, just said, is there anything I can do? And I said, well, I, she, and she had a form.
She's like, if the press contacts has come to release anything. And I signed, yes, I signed yes to family. I named my mom. I gave my mom's phone number. And I said, but don't tell my mom right away because her dad just died that morning. So right before I got arrested, I had gotten a message that my grandfather died. I said, you know, let's not bug her yet.
Yeah.
Um, but I gave her the names of some of my other family members and so forth. And So then basically she left. I spent the night in a jail, in a drunk tank. And then the next day they took me to the first Bulgarian prison I was in.
Chad's passports are now seized.
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Chapter 4: Why did Chad refuse help from the U.S. Embassy?
At that time, he had his US and Caribbean passports. As living in St Kitts, he'd become a dual citizen. Not that a passport would be much use to him at this moment, as he was off to one of the many prisons in Bulgaria that he would be staying in.
So they seized my passport. Then also when I got to the prison, the guards, they nicknamed me, they gave me a nickname right away. And it was the American Taliban.
you know and they would ask me what i did and i told them i explained my says well my ex-wife i have custody my son and she's lying they're like there's no way the americans they're not going to send one of their own to this prison even if the americans arrested you go to the other prison not this one i'm like oh great
And so it took me several days, but I realized that the American embassy had been telling the Bulgarian government just all kinds of nonsense about me like they were in the newspapers too. So the Bulgarian government, of course, they had been primed to think that they had caught like 007 or something. I don't know what they thought they caught, but they thought they had this big fish.
So did they just throw you in with other people or did they keep you separate from the rest of the inmates?
Well, the prison I was in was initiated with a pre-trial prison. So we had even less rights than the normal prison. So there was no mixing at all. We were locked in our room 23 hours a day. It was a room designed for two prisoners, but there were four in the room. There was no heat. Nobody spoke English in the prison.
Even one of the other cellmates spoke a little bit of English, but not a whole lot. None of the guards spoke English. We were locked in 24 hours a day, and the only time we were allowed out was to go on the roof. They had these rooms without a roof. And so they'd lock you in a room without a roof, and you could walk around in a space the same size as your room and get some sunshine.
But I was there in the winter, so there was no sunshine. And halftime, you go up, and it was raining, and now you're standing in a freaking rain anyways in the winter or snow. It was raining or snowing, it would mix. And even during that one hour, they still just took you with your own room.
While in prison, Chad would end up being separated from the Bulgarians and placed in a cell with other foreigners.
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Chapter 5: What challenges did Chad face regarding his passports?
But these guys are fairly clean. And so... I, you know, those are the only three that in that prison, but then I was transferred. So I was with other prisoners and prisoner buses, other prisons, but that's the one I was in the longest and initially. Right. And so, um, the senior guy, Vardo was the oldest. I think he was in his forties, maybe fifties.
He had been held in there almost two years before his family even knew where he was. Cause once you get in, you can't make phone calls out.
And I was going to say, did you get a chance to make any calls?
Well, in my case, I had Deborah from the U.S. Embassy coming to visit, so she had made some phone calls. But otherwise, there were people on there sometimes for years before anybody knew where they were. And he was there like almost two years. So how long did you spend in that prison all up? Well, that one was a few weeks. I don't remember exactly. It was a few weeks.
You might think, why is Chad putting himself through all of this? Why not just go home to the U.S. and clear everything up? Well, initially, this was in fact the game plan.
The reason I started the fight extradition was I was able to get some news from the outside, and I found out that the day I was arrested, they had already released. So the minute I said they could talk to press, so I was thinking press is going to find out America arrested in Bulgaria, right? Yeah, absolutely. They should have written the question instead of, are we allowed to talk to the media?
It should have been, are we allowed to propagandize and release our own press releases and beat the crap out of you in the press? My mom found out because I was on the morning radio, the television, front page of all the papers. My youngest brother was 14. He was getting ready to go to school.
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Chapter 6: How did Chad plan his escape from Bulgaria?
And it comes across the radio, local man arrested in Bulgaria on kidnapping charges to be extradited back to the United States soon. That was what came across the radio. Never mentioned that it was my son. Never mentioned I had custody of him. Never mentioned any of this stuff. Just international kidnapper. And so I got news of what they were doing to me in the press. And I was like, no.
Yeah, right. Something really bad was happening. While stuck inside the prison, Chad is fighting to try and get the Bulgarians to allow him out. But the U.S. Embassy, he says, kept pushing back.
So what would happen is we asked for me to be transferred to a better prison and the U.S. Embassy objected. And so we asked. I had friends in Bulgaria and I had developers that I used to work for. And I've been to Bulgaria before, so it was my first trip. I had friends help me with the lawyers and the logistics and getting money from my wife and giving to the lawyers and that kind of stuff.
And we kept asking the Bulgarian courts to let me out and just hold my passport and let me go stay with him and his family. And the U.S. Embassy kept objecting, but eventually we succeeded and they let me go. But then what would happen is the U.S. Embassy would file more stuff against me. And every time they filed something new against me, they would come re-arrest me again.
And then I'd be in prison and then I'd get let out and then I'd get arrested and then I'd get let out. And so it was this bouncing effect that lasted for about three months.
Chad is finally out, a step in the right direction. However, he's still stuck without a passport. The Bulgarian police were holding his Caribbean one and the US, well, the US had gone a step further.
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Chapter 7: What were the motives behind the U.S. government's actions?
Yeah, the FBI agent brought me a letter to the prison. She made a special trip to the prison to deliver me a letter to inform me that the Department of State had revoked my U.S. passports because I had two of them at the time and they weren't allowed and I wasn't getting them back. And we also asked them not to destroy them because they had evidence of my whereabouts from all the stamps in them.
And they still destroyed them even after we told them that it would be destruction of evidence to destroy my passport. They could have just withheld them. But no, they destroyed it. The next problem was they had my Caribbean passport and the local police were holding it in Sofia.
The US government, since they convinced them I was a terrorist and that it was fake and I had this fake passport, they opened a new investigation into me for entering Bulgaria on an illegal passport.
Chad is now in Bulgaria without a passport and no way to leave, all while the US try and fail to have him extradited.
problem was even after my extradition was denied not once but twice because my extradition was denied and the u.s embassy appealed it so then i had to go to prison again and wait like another month or two until the uh they basically fast-tracked it to like the not the supreme court but the highest federal court and um a panel of three judges turned on my extradition again and you could see the u.s embassy sent lawyers every time so i'm like okay extradition denied i'm ready to go let's go home
And Bulgaria is like, no, because what happened was the federal government of Bulgaria from the attorney general administrative justice, they're like, go home, you're free, no problems. But the local police were holding my Caribbean passport and had put a passport block on me in the passport system as well. I'm nearing, I entered Bulgaria on a three-month entry.
So you can overstay your visa welcome now.
And they're basically telling me, you're overstaying soon and we're going to come arrest you the first day you expire and we know where you're staying. They told me that. It's ridiculous.
They won't let you leave.
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Chapter 8: What is Chad's current situation and future outlook?
And so my first instinct was sailboat. I had about five different plans in place. The simplest plan was to get me on a boat to Russia across the Black Sea, like Krasnodar. And then from Krasnodar, I could take a train or plane to St. Petersburg and meet up with my wife's family. And then my wife, we could go back to Russia or sort it out. My wife is a Russian lawyer.
We found this small port, small cargo port on the Black Sea that was like down the side of a cliff and was not very busy and was mostly fishing boats, but got some small cargo boats from Russia. And so we were talking to this. We just go make friends with these guys. Sometimes we come with some like rakia, which is kind of like the Bulgarian equivalent of vodka. We just start chatting.
We're like, so my buddy here, you know, he's got this situation. And a lot of times we start telling the story like, oh, yeah, I read about you in the papers. A lot of them were all too willing to help me out. So, um... I need to get onto a cargo ship, but I don't have a passport. And I was hoping that possibly if I paid some kind of fee, you might take a long bathroom break or something.
And in pretty much every place we went, they're like, yeah. So this harbor master, He's like, well, it'd be too obvious if you just leave straight out of here and so forth. So he says, there's this ship that goes back and forth to Russia. I've got the schedule and everything and I don't want to do it because I don't wanna get in trouble here. So here's what we can do.
I know the captain, you know, for this much money, when he leaves next time, he'll go out and he'll wait like 14 miles offshore. And then I have a fisherman buddy who will take you out and then you'll get to Russia and he'll get you in and then you take care of the rest. And we're like, okay, we got that plan in place.
Another plan did involve Chad hopping into a helicopter, being dropped in the water near a waiting ship. However, the pilot came back with one glaring issue.
When you leave, we have to file paperwork.
Yeah, we've got a missing person.
Yeah.
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