Chapter 1: What prompted the discussion about Carlton's coaching changes?
So it is one of those mornings. Gather your friends close and just work through it together. The last Premiership coach at Carlton is David Parkin. Hello to you, David.
G'day, Gerard.
How are you? Shall we just work through it together?
Oh, yes. It's something I must admit I didn't expect Gerard to be quite truthful. I thought he'd be encouraged to see out the contract and I was even hoping that things might turn and... he remained the Carlton coach for some time. But obviously I was a long way off the mark.
Do you have, where's your senses in your Carlton heart? They keep doing the same thing over and over or what's your overriding thought?
Yeah, it's interesting for someone who's worked at, I've worked at three or four probably different organizations AFL clubs over or VFL and AFL clubs over a period of time. And Jared, you're quite right.
They all have, um, very different makeups in terms of the history that they have, um, been a part of the people, the kind of people, the personalities, if you like, or the characters that get into what I would call a, uh, presidential and committee and, uh, board positions in those clubs. And, uh, it seems that that culture, if you like, over a period of time is very, very difficult to change.
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Chapter 2: What insights does David Parkin share about Carlton's coaching culture?
And I think that's, you know, I sense and feel that for the clubs that I worked in. When I got there, I found that they were all significantly different in their makeup and that you needed to understand the values and drivers that that club were sitting on if you were going to work in it and be successful. So,
It's a very demanding job, as you well know, better than anybody else I would have suggested. And I'm just very disappointed that Michael got to the position where he thought that, A, he wasn't wanted, and, B, that he couldn't do the job that was required. It's just really sad. I get very disappointed in my old age as I... hear these news items almost on a daily basis.
When we think back to his appointment, David, how hopeful were you that he was going to be the man to deliver success, to break the cycle with the Blues?
Yeah, I did. I must admit, I was on the selection panel at that particular time, and there were some very, very good candidates who are now in the system and doing a good job in other clubs.
And so he was in what's the word good competition at the time, but having completed the interview and knowing his history, um, what he had in his mind or head to, uh, to do, I was, I must admit, I was really confident when, uh, he was finally appointed to that job. And, uh,
As a consequence of that, very disappointed that it's, what's the word, eventuated in his dismissal or his deciding not to go on. I'm not sure what the process was. You know better than me.
Yeah, so we'll wait to hear fully what it was. So the run in 2023 ends up being the exception. In hindsight, it's a near miracle what they did in 2023 on the way to a prelim. How much of... what he outlined, was he able to bring, do you think, to the job once he was in it?
Yeah, I think those who know Vossie well, and I don't say that I know him all that well, I've had a fair bit to do with him over a period of time, but Vossie's leadership in terms of the style he brought to the organisation was, by the people that I know, and there are a multitude of people I know that have work for him, thought he was a great leader in that sense.
I'm not sure that the same feeling about his football intellect, I think his people intellect and understanding of what was required to do the job, both on and off the field, was extremely high. But there was always some questions, I guess, about his technical, tactical skills
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Chapter 3: How did David Parkin feel about Michael Voss's appointment as coach?
I said, I thought, well, that's me. I really struggled. And so I had that sort of relationship with them and understanding. It's difficult, Gerard, as you know. I mean, you've talked to them all and seen them all in action over your lifetime in footy, and the personalities at the top have varied so much.
When you think of the Buckleys in terms of the Vosses and the current Fagans, et cetera, the present Collingwood coach, I mean... the personality and character of the people leading us changed enormously in my lifetime. You can't imagine the Ted Wittens of the world as leaderships now being anywhere near acceptable by the population which they're dealing with. So footage changed.
You know better than anybody else who's been a part of it over all those, I think, three phases in my life now. the game has changed enormously. And I think if you're in that role now as a coach, it would be the most demanding leadership role that I could think, not only in Australian sport, but in Australian society.
And so is Carlton's coaching position unique?
Is it distinct from... I think, yeah, no, Gerard, that's a very, very good question. I think it, Probably is because the culture of Carlton over a period of time is, in the sense of the word, is unique also. I mean, I've been in multiple clubs over a period of time and not one of those other clubs had anything like the culture that I was experiencing there.
In both my times at Carlton, I had two periods there over a long time, and not one of the other clubs that I was associated with as a player or a coach had a culture like Carlton.
For better sometimes, for worse other times, how would you split it? Say that again? For better and for worse?
Um... Yeah, better for worse. I mean, I tried to... I brought a different, I guess, personality, if you like, character into the role. And I must admit, having gone, you can imagine, Gerard going from what was the Hawthorne culture and being subjected to a couple of very interesting people who were the leaders at Carlton at that time to the Carlton culture, it was almost a shock to me that
Two organisations who are trying to compete in the same competition and deliver the same outcomes were so different in their make-up and the leadership styles that were there to try and achieve that end. When I look back now, it was an amazing experience.
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Chapter 4: What challenges does the Carlton coach face in the current AFL landscape?
Oh, no, no. I think, no, I don't, I just, I'd hate to say it was a poison chalice job, but I think in any AFL club and game, the new one that's starting in Tasmania, it's, it's a, it's an unknown, Gerard. And, uh, You're going to something where you hope, like, hell, what you bring as a person and the values and behaviours of those that you appoint around you is going to achieve the job.
But hell, it's one, when you think of the competition and the opposition to what you want for you, it's the most demanding, I would have thought, sporting role without doubt, without fear or favour, and others will argue against that, but I would think it's the most difficult task
in Australian sport, and sometimes I think in world sport, is to get one of the AFL clubs in a position where you can strike out and have an opportunity to win a flag. It's an enormous mountain to climb, and there are lots of multiple difficulties along the way that you've got to confront and get over. It's, yeah, I don't...
encourage anybody unless they're absolutely and totally committed and understand the pitfalls of the role that they're taking. It's tough. Absolutely.
Do you think Carlton will be successful again in the near future?
Oh, yeah. I think having gone down this pathway and understanding where they are and what needs to be done, they've got two extremely capable people in the
administrative roles the two most important roles the two most important people are as good as you can find in our current game or even outside our current game in Australian sport full stop I think they've got two of the best so given that the leadership off field now at I think at board level and in administration at Carlton I think Carlton people can be very positive about the road ahead and
And the opportunity to, A, make finals and, B, win finals, I think is as good as it can be.
And so you know the feeling of this day, David, from the past. As to Michael Voss, what would you offer him on a day like today?
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Chapter 5: How does David Parkin view the leadership styles in AFL coaching?
I get texts every day, Gerard, every day from people who have played or administrated or coached in that club and the powerful bonds that they have and they're just longing for some of the success that we were able to achieve way back in the 80s and the middle 90s and they're living their lives in hope before they pass on.
They're going to at least, what's the word, enjoy some of that experience again. So I hope that for all those people who I meet on a regular basis that the club is able to rebound again and under the Leadership that they now have is is over to achieve something. It's a heck of a competition. Do you know?
Yeah, it is this competition is as hard as any Sporting competition in the world to succeed in in my opinion and it's not going to get any easier with the Tasmanian the Tasmanian side coming in, etc the task's getting harder, not easier.
It's good to hear your voice on a day like today, David. That'll be the first of a great many conversations Carlton people will be having with you over the next week or so. Good luck leaving the house.
Yeah, thanks, Gerard. I do appreciate your support.
Good on you. David Parkin, you want to have your friends close on a day like today, the last... The last premiership coach at the Blues. Righto, the lines are yours again. 1-300-736-736. But the upswing, reliving those giddy days in the 2023 final series. De Kooning set himself. He had a fly, didn't mark, but he takes the crumb and he gets it up inside.
50, bouncing ball. It got through Campbell. The Blues have numbers.
Here's Martin. Hand pass. Akers. Banked.
The tension gives way to a mighty roar.
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Chapter 6: What makes Carlton's coaching position unique compared to other clubs?
Some oxygen in the lungs of Blues fans after a suffocating 20 minutes. Newman takes the mark and hears the siren. It's a roar you can feel from the roots to the rafters of the MCG. Carlton has won its first final in a decade. Doherty gets loose on the wing. McVeigh trying to close. Doherty, brave as can be. Marks and plays on. Has a bounce. Kicks to full forward. Up goes Akers. Goal! Goal!
Goal!
Carlton hit the front inside the final minute. Straight up the middle. Melbourne go. Rivers launches. The Carlton gods must be crazy. It's a night the Navy Blues will talk about forevermore.