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Whateley in a Snapshot | Wednesday (27.05.26)

27 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 9.605 Gerard Waitley

I'm Gerard Waitley. Here's a snapshot of Wednesday, May 27. Ken Hinckley explained the ripple effect of James Heard declaring he'd love to coach Essendon.

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10.166 - 10.707 Phil Davis

Yeah, absolutely.

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Chapter 2: What insights does Ken Hinkley provide on James Hird's coaching aspirations?

10.727 - 23.225 Phil Davis

I don't think anyone would have the, you know, would be prepared to be in the race too deep unless you're a... in some ways, involved with Essendon, I suppose, in their history. So I think that would be really important to me.

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23.245 - 43.074 Phil Davis

I mean, I just think this looks like, and when I watched everything last, I watched Brad, I watched James, and, you know, it looked to me like it's James Heard or then someone else. It's not James Heard or someone else. It's James Heard or then someone else. And I think that's the way it should be. And that's the way Essendon is setting up.

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43.134 - 50.194 Phil Davis

Andrew's setting it up that way by the look of it, from what I can see and understand. And I think they have every right to do what they want to do, and that's their call.

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50.555 - 53.443 Gerard Waitley

Yeah, so I guess that's the question, the right way or the wrong way?

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54.335 - 71.523 Phil Davis

Yeah, I'm not going to sit here and try and judge the right or the wrong way. It's just what you do get out of Essendon is you get some clarity at the moment about the way they think they can fix things, I think, and that is purely around a strong Essendon backbone, and that's what it looks like.

71.544 - 80.899 Phil Davis

And it looks like with the people involved at the moment, that's the way they're going to sail this ship and good on them for having a course and having a direction they want to take.

80.879 - 85.307 Gerard Waitley

Do you think it's possible to coach after such a long absence from the game?

86.609 - 104.881 Phil Davis

It'll be challenging. I don't think it's impossible, but it would be challenging. And James himself said last night he's been doing some stuff at Port Melbourne for three or four years. And so he's kept his mind in footy, clearly. He's kept his mind in Essendon. There's no doubt about that. So, you know... The art of coaching is not one person, Gerard.

104.901 - 123.572 Phil Davis

So it's the art of coaching is as a team and a collective of people and getting the very, very best people. I think that's the, you know, if that's your starting point, the coach can be successful whether he's been in it for five minutes or whether he hasn't been in it for 10 years or he's been in it like me, for the last 13 years and like a John Longmire or like Adam Simpson.

Chapter 3: What challenges might James Hird face after a long absence from coaching?

345.594 - 361.235 Phil Davis

And I've dealt with James and he's a very, very good operator. But if it doesn't, it's almost like it could be the fizzling out of what Essendon and how it operated for, you know, let's call it the last 40 years, Jared, how it's operated. And then they move on to how the other clubs are sort of going.

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361.996 - 368.044 Gerard Waitley

If you were drawn to make a recommendation, what would you recommend? Which path?

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369.138 - 388.559 Phil Davis

Well, I think the first thing I'd do, Joe, and I always do, is I would want to do a sweeping review of the whole entire club, inside and out, and find out what is going on. What are the water cooler conversation? What is, as we always say, Joe, what's in the walls? Who are these external stakeholders? Who are the board members? Who's influencing players?

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388.719 - 412.466 Phil Davis

I want to know all of that, and I want to know why the players behave the way they do. I want to know the whole dynamic. And once I got a feel for that, I think I would make a decision. And one thing I would say is the capacity that James would have is it would look like, you know, the fork that I said to you on the left in terms of, you know, being the very old S&D way.

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412.486 - 432.316 Phil Davis

But he's been away for a while now. He's gone away, done different things, run his own business and investing firm. And he could maybe change it from the inside. I think that's more work and harder work, but that might be the option that they go down. My natural inclination is that it won't be James, would be my presumption on day one.

433.218 - 436.943 Gerard Waitley

And Davis reassessed the possibility of Toby Green leaving the Giants.

437.504 - 459.251 Phil Davis

I think this becomes a challenging conversation only because Toby just wants to win so badly. And I think that... would be the only part that's wobbling in his brain is doing the math. You know, we said a bit before about Essendon players being like, hey, how do they think about it? What's the conversation? For Toby, it's not about playing finals.

459.291 - 483.233 Phil Davis

He doesn't want to finish seventh this year and win one final and lose because he's not really the top four best teams. He wants to win one so desperately. And I think he just cares about that so much. He's cared about that like endlessly for the last 10 years. But I do think deep down, it's a big step to leave. And I think that'll always be the challenge

483.567 - 504.485 Phil Davis

So I can see why there's speculation and I can see why it's floating around. But my gut feel is when it's all said and done, Toby will make a decision to stay. But there's merit in the discussion just because, you know, he just wants to win so badly. He's one of the most competitive humans I've ever met in my life. And this is something that he's been chasing.

Chapter 4: How does Ken Hinkley assess the potential coaching changes at Essendon?

727.367 - 738.737 Gerard Waitley

Thank you. Pete thinks he invented it, but that's okay. And that's just a snapshot. The full program and all interviews are available through the Waitley podcast. Subscribe at sen.com.au.

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